So, are Obama birth certificate threads not conspiracy theories anymore?

I have an absolute pleasure in seeing so many distinguished Obamabots going out of their minds... good job MODS...

 

Interesting to see the latest version of Commentary denounce this as a crackpot theory. They don't see the case closed but then I suppose serious conservative journals like this are just communist conspiracies eh?

I hope the Georgia verdict is as above as there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the SCOTUS will support such an interpretation of the Constitution. I don't think this legal argument is a conspiracy though. I do think it provides a great opportunity for the SCOTUS to rule in favour of jus solis even in its application to the Presidency which I admit is a slightly adjacent principle. This will be a great blow against racist scum everywhere who want to deny citizenship and rights to people they see as aliens in direct contrast with common law and to the ancient liberties of common law jurisdictions, including England, where jus solis has scandalously been abolished by statute.

 

No the Supreme Court hasn't.

Thats why President Obama is President and you are just an anonymous internet poster who is wrong.

 

Barack Obama is no more my president than George Bush was your president.

 

This view is based on the fact that SCOTUS did not refer to Wong Kim Ark as a natural born citizen. Of course it did not say that he was NOT a natural born citizen. And this case was about whether he was a citizen, not a natural born citizen, even though it was citizenship based on birthright.

It's a tiny ***** of light to the birthers that the SCOTUS should dim. Given that it is only extremist conservative opinion that wants to deny NBC status to someone born on American soil to an American mother, it is highly unlikely that SCOTUS would not strike down the judgement of the Georgia Court. The SCOTUS has determined that the citizenship issue is determined according to jus solis, rather than jus sanguinis, and follows English common law tradition, not "international" Napoleonic Law tradition, except in the case of children born to US citizens overseas, where jus sanguinis applies, (as it does in English statute law as well).

The argument that Obama was not an NBC because he was born British under the British Nationality Act of 1948, and therefore cannot be an NBC as this would involve dual citizenship has already been defeated. Under this argument of course JFK would not be eligible either as anyone with an Irish grandparent is de jure an irish citizen according to Irish law. It would disqualify an awful lot of Americans from NBC status.

I do not think this is a conspiracy theory though. It is an important debate and part of the debate that sets those who think that laws should all be by statute and fixed (the despotic, tyrannical, Napoleonic tradition - ironically once termed "international" law and favoured by conservatives in Wong Kim Ark) and those who think that laws should be based on statutes and on ancient customs (English common law), derived from the common peoples' historic struggle against lords and monarchy, which are from time to time gradually re-interpreted to fit the mores of the times. When conservatives deride judges as lawmakers, they are deriding the common law system and the ancient wisdom of the common people that it embodies.

 

To have this kind of thread in CE is simply absurd.

Truly, three years old and entirely debunked, even by a lot of Birthers.

It appears there are NO rules for some.

 

You can deny it all you like, but that doesn't change the fact...

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.asp...1231.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985&SizeDisp=7

"...The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners..."

==================================

I have quoted it many times, but you just don't seems to get it. Or you choose to just ignore it.

Either way, I trust that those with the power will Judge it and make their ruling accordingly, no matter how much you try to deny it.

 

Despite your continued denials.

Native Born are Born on the Soil.

Natural Born are Born on the Soil to Citizen Parents.

You can deny it all you like, but that doesn't change the fact.

 

Jesus...

It's all been debunked already...

Your refusal to accept that doesn't change anything...

 

And, despite your continued repetition of this lie, it will never become true...

*shrug*

 

Like I told you before, "children" and "parents" are used in that way for grammatical reasons...

This is very easy...

 

More accurately, when liberals defend federal judges who presume to exercise legislative authority, they deride the Constitution.

And such wisdom teaches that power is more prudently vested in a handful of unelected judges than in hundreds of elected legislators. Have I got that about right?

 

Except you are completely wrong.... Read the statutes.. They have been posted repeatedly..

The premise is simple.. THERE ARE ONNLY TWO TYPES OF CITIZENSHIP.

 

^^^Will continue to be denied...

 

Some of these folks are stuck in a 6th grade reading of the Constitution.. which says alot about US public school education.

Very sad IMO... Any level of critical thinking and education would clear this up.

 

I think it says less about US education, and more about folks willing to be partisan hacks at all costs...

 

I disagree.. Its one thing to hate Obama.. and quite another to be duped by daft conspiracy theories.

Each of these crackpot lawyers has a website and each is asking for 'donations'.. This is a rip off.. and they are counting on the ignorance of the birthers.

 

That's what I'm saying...

All of the birthers are blatant, partisan hacks...

Their hate of Obama and all things outside of their little box drives their passion for buying this BS...

It is possible for one to be very intelligent, yet, despise different ideals so much, that, one would be willing to latch onto any opposition to that idea, no matter how ludicrous...

 

Well... its one thing to object to a particular politician.. Its another thing to be a LIAR.

I can't stand Mittens Romney.. I find him scary.. but I am not posting multiple threads about him full of ridiculous lies.

 

I agree with this wholeheartedly...

And their mindset is what drives them to post these lies (which are OK to spam the board with)...

I'm almost certain they know better, and know that they're lying...

But, they are opposed to all things Obama, no matter what...

 

You know.. before I retired I served on a tri-county development board... and I could see this economic downturn coming in the mid to late 1990s.. so I was panicked for my children and their investment choices.

By the time Bush and his Neocon posse were finished, I knew that there was NO quick fix for the economy.. Perhaps I never expected Obama to work a miracle.

But, so far he's done a pretty fair job with foreign policy.. and from all I see he's a thinking person who cares deeply about our country.

I think he's a good man.. Having said that.. I would have voted for Huntsman if he'd ever gotten any traction.

Our problems are structural.. if we could get off the partisan idiocracy... we should put all of Congress on notice that they are a lazy, greedy bunch who have refused to address the issues.

My baby brother used to say that if he was president, he would make it clear the he was only a "referee"..

 

And that's what needs to happen...

Folks need to put aside the partisan bickering, and let Congress know they need to get their (*)(*)(*)(*) together...

Period...

 

If we had any stones.. we'd tell them that we will throw the lot of them into the Potomac. What a sorry bunch they are.

 

I have posted a link to the INS that in FACT explains the 3 types of Citizenship...

Again, you can deny it all you like, but it is there for any intelligent person to read and understand.

 

Perhaps you would care to address some of the evidence provided instead of attempting to insult your opponents in this discussion?

I don't think you will, but I can try to get you to make a cogent argument none the less.