You Will Regret Your Abortion

You say this with such absolution, as if you speak on behalf of women everywhere. Tell me, do you claim such an arrogant perspective? With that being said, I will admit that there is some truth to your claim: of course a mother is going to mourn the loss of her potential child, such a reaction is to be expected. (Or is it?) I offer this counterargument though: would you regret bringing a child into unfit living conditions even more? I personally feel that abortion is a merciful escape for those zygotes (that do not yet comprehend their existence) an escape from an upbringing in unfit conditions. Their is always the question of, "What if?" What if that child was going to be a revolutionary visionary that changes the world for the better? Well, we can also offer that said child also has, or should I say had the potential to become one of the most feared crime lord in the modern era.
I personally don't believe in the existence of the soul either, so I remain indifferent to that particular argument as nothing more than an attempt to justify pro-life with wishful thinking.

When it comes down to it though, the choice belongs to the women. They are the ones having the abortions, not the men, not society, not the government. If religion has an issue with it, then they don't have to participate in it; furthermore they should not try to influence legislation with respect to the (supposed) separation between church and state.
If the women want it, the women get it.

 

Benedictine said,

BEcause abortion is killing a living human being. It is an act of violence for whatever reason a woman makes up. It is about death….to another individual human life. Now I would say that there would be some woman who would not care…think twice about what they did. But I believe that this is something that women mourn, hide…try to cope with..the rest of their lives. The pain is always there. No reason is good enough or makes sense….after you do it. It is what it is…..death to another human life.

What does that matter? How many families in America are perfect? What family does not face something negative…poverty, death, disease, etc? To say that Oprah would have been better off dead…because she was abused…is that right? Look at the impact Helen Keller had on the world and those around her. There is suffering there will always be suffering….that does not justify someone killing something because….THEY MIGHT….MIGHT….MIGHT…face problems. What right do you have to determine what someone else will go through?

Don't even bring the world merciful into the situation….abortion is not merciful. The rationale you have for killing is scary….downright scary.

Sounds like you don't value life at all. No value, no life, no soul. Wow…guess no reason to live…or love right?

Yes the choice….and you would agree that if the mother wanted to kill her unborn at nine month that option should always be open to her. Viability does not matter…because its her body, right?

I have a right as a believer…by the Constitution to protest to try to persuade people to my side. I have a right to be heard. You have no right to stop me. There is no document in the history of the United States..where the phrase, "separation of church and state" appears. Not one document. In fact Jefferson if that was true…continually violated this…as he prayed, declared prayer days and fasting…and ordered and distributed bibles paid by the government. No separation…...

 

He also owned slaves. But you know, we all make mistakes.

 

Your religious values mean nothing if you cannot utilize them as an argument which you can substantiate and support with reason and fact.

As for Jefferson, the guy was quite clear about a separation. He never distributed Bibles. In fact he wrote his own, the Jefferson Bible, where he took out all miraculous events. Says a lot about the man's faith. Most of the Founding Fathers, Jefferson especially, made it clear the Constitution, as a legal document, was irreligious - it did not protect one religion over another, nor any denominations for that matter.

 

What is life though? Is it a heart beat? Or is it when one can recognize that they are actually alive? From the women who are impregnated via non-consensual intercourse to the rash youth too anxious to worry about protection; life isn't fair, and never will be; to say otherwise is sheer ignorance to reality. I'm not claiming in the slightest that families are perfect either, as mine is a perfect example of such misfortune.
It is also unfair to use well established people in that particular point concerning your question as to whether or not I think they would be better off dead; we will never know the potential that we have eliminated after the abortion, so to muse over the possibilities is pointless. So your answer: I do not think that they are better of dead. Believe it or not, just because I don't believe in the soul does not mean that I don't have a conscience. Which leads me into the next issue...

On what grounds do you make this assumption? That because I do not believe in the soul means that I have no reason to live, or love? I feel that the soul is nothing more than wishful thinking; that who I am is simply the various chemical reactions that make up this human being known as Mark. In fact find my perspective humbling: that this life is all that I have. No afterlife. No second chance. I have one shot at this existence, and knowing that compels me to not regret the legacy I will leave behind when I pass on, and become the best that I can be. And as far as love goes, that too is sacred to me. Just because I view love as a quantifiable chemical reaction does not make the sensation an less potent to me. In fact I may be so bold as to imply that both life and live are more valuable to me than it will ever be to you, so long as you believe in your afterlife.

I do; even at such an advanced phase of development, it still has nothing to loose in dying, because it has nothing. If the mother chooses to abort it, then that is her choice alone, whether it is because she is being responsible and recognizing that she cannot bring a child into the world, or because the mother is heartless an doesn't feel like being a parent. Believe it or not, this issue brings me great pain and sadness.
You have your rights, and I have mine equally as much. I am not stopping you, I am opposing you; there is a difference. And as far as the "separation between church and state" goes, of course it doesn't appear word for word in our national documents, but you will find that implied separation in the First Amendment, specifically the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses, both of which are violated by the list of acts you have stated Jefferson to have committed.

I am sorry if my opinion offends you, but just as you promote the possibility that these women will regret their abortions, I promote that such a choice is theirs to make and not ours. I respect that you think you're looking out for these women, but as grown adults should know, especially parents, is that unless you let them actually make the mistake, they'll never actually learn from it. Furthermore, I think that you are a little out of place if you're position is in your religion alone, and even more so if are not an actual "aborter."

 

Why do you CONTINUE TO BLAME GOD for everything, but yourself for nothing???

Do animals blame GOD if they miscarry too???? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God CAN BE absolutely responsible for everything in life, good or evil. But what does that say about GOD? It says that HE CAN relieve you of your FREE WILL, if HE wants to. God gave MAN free will. And God can take away free will from MAN.

The better question, is why you are so bent on blaming GOD FOR EVERYTHING????????? WHY????????

It's because YOU are powerless. It is because YOU are absolutely irresponsible in life. It is because YOU are responsible for nothing.

What is the LESSON OF CHRIST, SON OF GOD???????? Did not OUR HOLY LORD CHRIST DIE FOR THE SINS OF ALL MANKIND???? Did not OUR DIVINE CREATOR SEND HIS SON TO BEAR THE BURDEN, OF ALL SIN, UPON HIS SHOULDERS????? Did not LORD CHRIST CARRY THE CRUCIFIX UPON HIS SHOULDERS, ALONE????

Who were the ones who helped Christ, except all TRUE CHRISTIANS who bear TRUE CHRISTIAN NAMES to this day????

Were you there, when CHRIST was BETRAYED by Judas and JEWS? Were you there when the first TRUE CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, HELPED CARRY THE BURDEN OF CHRIST'S CROSS???

Guilty.

Guilty.

Guilty.

Guilty.

ALL GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why, you ask???? Because of this........WHY DO YOU BLAME GOD FOR YOUR OWN SIN????????? For the 11 year old girl who is raped, where is her FATHER to protect her? Or, is she another bastard child of our ONCE GREAT NATION? There are so many bastard children these days, with no TRUE CHRISTIAN FATHERS to protect them, their pride, their self worth, their self esteem. Where are they? Where are the TRUE CHRISTIANS who value family, and PROTECT family, from rapists? Where are the FATHERS to protect their DAUGHTERS????

I'll tell you where they're not. Liberals, cannot make family. Liberals believe in DIVORCE, free access to divorce and abortion. Liberals are PRO-SIN. Liberals hate virginity and innocence, except when they rape it away from others. A Liberal cannot ever be called a "father" in a family. Only TRUE CHRISTIANS CAN!!!! Only WE have the morality, the ethics, the spiritual willpower, to CREATE FAMILY. Scum does not. Scum cannot create family, just as many animals, and birds, and worms, cannot create family, or morality, or ethics, or anything noble.

Animals are what they are, you know what I mean? I'm betting you do know exactly what I mean

 

Why change the subject again…? LOL

 

Yes, let us return to the topic of this thread.

http://women.webmd.com/news/20000822/study-says-most-women-dont-regret-abortion

The claim made in the title of this thread "You Will Regret Your Abortion" is false based upon clinical studies. Most women that have had an abortion would do it again under the same circumstances. Regardless of any other off topic discussions the opinion expressed in the OP is false, period.

 

You are wrong. The truth of the matter is this…….

Over 50 million woman have had abortions since Roe. Statistics do not exist to even address this question. There is no way that even 1% have been asked by survey to answer this. This is not a topic woman talk about….THEY WANT TO FORGET IT…TRY TO PUT IT OUT OF THEIR MIND.

You know what…..in all the debate sites I have gone to….and there have been a lot of them over the ten years I have been doing this….NOT ONE OTHER WOMAN HAS ADMITTED ABORTIONS. NOT ONE. Now I am not the only one out there…who has had one. But funny that no one will at least try to put me in my place. You guys don't count…you have no clue really about this, you have not had an abortion. But you come and lurk around and act like you do….act like you really know what its like.

So I don't care what group gives a statistics….. There is no possible way…to even address this. The pro-abort side does its best to make people believe that women don't regret abortions. I know they do. I know that for some women it takes years and years to come to terms with what they did and most don't talk about it.

Don't you think its funny that in the discharge information that PP give women….a counseling number is listed. Of course that is for them to call if they want to sit around and celebrate.

 

Clinical studies with how many of the 50 million that have had them?

 

To say, "you will regret your abortion", does not take into account the reason that an individual woman is considering her abortion and is an unreasonable statement. I have an abortion when I became pregnant after delivering my second son only 10 months earlier. I had 2 c-sections and my first son was post-mature and weighed only 4.6 lbs and my second son was a premmie wieghing 3.11 lbs. I delievered my first son at 30 years old. I had gained so much weight with my second pregnancy that I was prescribed presciption diet pills that were clearly not to be taken when pregnant. When I became pregnant the third time I had been taking these pills for nearly 9 months My husband and I decided that I should seek an abortion as my second son was having problems and we just didn't have a good feeling.

My OB wouldn't perform abortions so refered me to a clinic that did. The doctor their said that my pregnacy was so short that he had trouble even finding were the egg was implanted. He experience complications performing the abortion and I was sent via ambulance to a hospital where my OB did exploratory and completed the procedure successfully.

Unfortuanetly, the abortion has always been in the back of my mind and I wish I had let the pregnancy go full term. This is my experience and each womens is different some may regret it and due to the ceircumstances some may not. I personally dont feel it is a fetus until it has a heart beat and an implanted egg does not. A heartbeat is not shown on ultrasound until 7 weeks.

 

First of all, I would like to say you have shown sincerity, and honesty in making a post that I am sure was difficult to make. Also after any woman has gone through an abortion and regrets their choice there is always forgiveness. Everyone can obtain forgiveness for any wrong they have committed.
I do also think that the heart beat being a criteria is false. Everyone who supports abortion has different reasons as to why they believe it to be ethical, it is either when the heart is formed, or the brain, or before it is so many weeks. The truth of the matter is, it is at conception. At the moment of conception there is a new living entity within the womans' womb, this is a fact. You, can call it a fetus, a blob of cells , or whatever, the fact is, it is a human being in the early stages of life. We should not kill on the basis of our stage in development, a 1 year old has as much a right to life as a 25 year old.

 

This is not "THE TRUTH" but instead it's a minority opinion. Most people don't believe this drivel that is predominately driven by religious beliefs and which disregards the inalienable Rights of the Woman to control her own body. The woman is a sovereign individual but a zygote, embryo, and fetus remain dependent entities that have no inalienable Rights until they become a sovereign individual.

 

As I have said before no one should have somplete control over there own body in certain circumstances. If I took a gun and shot you, do you believe it would be okay as i permitted my body to commit this act. Also just because you say it is not true does not mean it is not. I have good reason andlogic to say why abortion should not be permitted. Those who support abortion all have different reasons as to why it should be permitted. Some say a fetus is not a person until they have a heartbeat, some say they are not a person till the brian begins to from, some base it on the locality of the baby, if it is inside or outside the womb. Some people say they are not a person based on thier abilities. however 99.9% of people who oppose abortion all agree a person is a person at conception.

 

Hate to be picky but no it is not "a fact" and in fact it is false. Conception occurs in the Fallopian Tubes. http://www.webmd.com/baby/ss/slideshow-conception

Foetal development does not occur until after implantation, which happens 3-4 days after fertilisation, if indeed it happens at all.

 

Then you would be fine with us taking you to theatre and performing a sterilisation on you without your consent??

 

So when the seed and egg combine they are not living, is that what you are saying?.
Of course it is a new living entity, the seed was living before it combined with the egg, the egg was living before the seed came into contact, after contact, there is still life, and it is a new life form.

 

What is this argument regarding?.
I said no one should have COMPLETE control over their body, if they did then we would have complete anarchy. If you were to lay in the middle of a busy road, do you think this is reasonable as no one should interfere as to what you do with your own body?. Even though you were hplding up traffic, and causing chaos.
Also in China there is forced abortion and sterilisation.

 

Won't live for long without the right environment

 

So, you are against that but for interference with a woman's choice??

 

your point being?.

 

What you stated before is someone being taken by force to be sterilised. I do not think anyone should be taking by force if they have not committed any crime. I am not saying women should be forcefully dragged out of abortion clinics, I say they should be closed down and abortions made illegal, which is something completely different from your analogy.

 

hudson said,

The reason does not matter. Abortion is killing a living human child…no matter what stage no matter what reason. What is unreasonable are for people to make the statement that most women do not regret their abortions. There is no way of knowing this. And as a woman who has done it…I know its something most women want to forget…for all the obvious reasons.

I understand what you are saying but…you still killed your child. You presumed to know what would happen. I know many women who took drugs and their children were born fine.

So short? LOL It does not matter you were pregnant and no abortionist would have been needed if you were not carrying something alive and human inside you. The procedure……you mean the abortion, right? That point when they killed your child for you. Was your health at risk? You did what I did…you did not care…you killed your child…successfully.

Sure it was….you knew what you did, so did I. I became suicidal at one point, didn't actually try but the thought consumed me…it about broke my marriage up and I suffered for years with depression. And this happened twenty some years after I had it. You never forget it…and you try to cover it up so it goes away.

At the time of conception it is a living human child…that is fact no matter how much we pretend it isn't.


You are the first person on any debate thread other than myself who has ever admitted to having an abortion..so I welcome your input here.

The heart starts beating around twenty days…..long before most women get abortions.

 

No it is not a minority opinion. We don't have to bring God into this…science tells us when life starts…and it is not after the child has been carried nine months and born.
Why aren't you out campaigning for late term abortions? You are pro-late term abortions aren't you? Cause if the woman has a right to her body…then she should be able to kill, no questions asked at nine months.

ARe you for late term abortions? yes or no

 

ARe you for late term abortions…yes or no?