Evidence for the Holocaust?

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he didnt have to make any statement.

all he had to do was plead guilty to the charges.

he chose to make a statement.

he chose to return to Austria and face his crimes.

that's not duress.

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that is a lie.

he wasn't under any duress. He chose to return to Austria and face his crimes.

 

Its adorable how Holocaust-deniers demand evidence for the Holocaust and yet disregard and deny all evidence presented to them.

They clearly aren't interested in evidence.

They are just interested in playing silly & dishonest games.

 

Irving made those statements to avoid jail. I would have done the same.

Life Magazine is part of the American mainstream media. That's all controlled by Jews. Anyone who trusts the mainstream media should check out this info.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcH7vKVM2iE
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html

Not even American science journals can be trusted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
(00:16 time mark)

Americans are given an upside down view of what's happening in the world. We are taught that the US defends freedom and democracy in the world. Look at the truth.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531

Anything that appears in Life Magazine may be bogus.

Also, in the US, things seem to happen to people who spill the beans.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU

 

lololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice job handwaving away evidence based on your irrational and illogical bigotry.

its all you guys have





....and btw, Irving has still yet to recant his statements to the Austrian court, decades later.

 

So, have you seen these videos?
http://www.politicalforum.com/zionist-agenda/317262-evidence-holocaust-25.html#post1062994592

I think they make a pretty good case. What do you think?

 

did you read the Eichmann interview published in Life magazine?

its pretty amazing. full of great detail.

He doesn't deny the Holocaust, but says he was simply following orders and would have been a traitor if he didnt.

 

You seem to be playing dumb about the info I posted on why the American media can't be trusted.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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This thread asks for evidence that the Holocaust took place.

Lots of evidence has been presented. Eyewitness testimony has been presented.

Even the recantment of former Holocaust-deniers has been presented.

...but of course the deniers disregard it all cause they aren't interested in truth or facts.

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you based your mistrust of Life magazine on irrational & illogical bigotry.

that's not a good reason, bro.

 

I've watched the first one and decided it's not worth to continue with the second.
I'm sorry, but they do not make a good case. All they do is postulate conspiration theories with no reasonable background.

 

they don't care about evidence.

they just care about lies and bigotry.

 

This is garbage and you have a misrepresentation of Eichmann in "Life Magazine" (where I offered to discuss the original German transcripts) and Irving under duress in an Austrian court.

That proves approx 6 million Jew were killed, largely by gas?

Hilariously the same Eichmann transcript ridicules the 6 million figure.

 

that is a lie.

Irving himself accepts the Eichmann interview as true.

 

He might have gotten ten years if he hadn't retracted his earlier views. Your position is pretty lame. You are not a serious debater.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/20/austria.thefarright
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The prosecution, however, had accused Irving of changing his position as a "tactic" to escape a harsh sentence
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http://www.spiegel.de/international...ng-free-after-13-months-in-jail-a-455726.html
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During his one-day trial in February, Irving had pleaded guilty to the charge of denying the Holocaust, an offense punishable by up to ten years imprisonment under Austrian law.
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Tell us what you think his sentence would have been if he hadn't retreacted his views.


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Tell us what you think of this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak
"Holocaust faker explains himself"

 

If David Cole can be intimidated into saying things he doesn't even believe, why can't it happen to David Irving?

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/David_Cole
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Cole went into hiding after he was hounded by the self-styled Jewish Defense League, eventually terrorised into a half-hearted and unconvincing recantation in 1998. He came out of hiding in 2013 revealing that he has been using the name David Stein since 1998 and admitting that his 1998 recantation was fake telling the Guardian "I haven't changed my views.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9G4zmpKv0
"The Complete David Cole and Mark Weber on the Montel Williams Show"


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What do you pro-official version posters think of this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw&bpctr=1376773530
"Holohoax Survivors who Tell the Truth"

 

Republican Party Animals operator David Stein says he is really David Cole, and that he still holds controversial views

 

Holocaust deniers start discussions like this without any interest or intention whatsoever, in accepting any evidence that the Holocaust took place.

They already have their minds made up. All they intend on doing is disregarding all evidence as "Jewish lies", "Allied propaganda", or "evidence under torture or duress".

When asked what evidence they would accept, they are speechless, for NOTHING would convince them.

 

This is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Good evidence would convince me. Good evidence: testimonies not under duress from the huge number of people necessary to kill 6 million, remains of 6 million showing evidence of cyanide poisoning, credible censuses with evidence of no emigration, evidence of gas chambers.

The problem is you HAVE NO EVIDENCE because the Holocaust is a hoax.

 

After 70 years almost everyone involved is dead. Many documents have been destroyed. We cannot give you the evidence you would accept, unless we invent a time machine to send you back to the 1940s and see for yourself.
By your definition of "good evidence" no murder trial today would ever result in a conviction, not even if the murderer confessed. You people are much more willing to accept shaky evidence when you want to prove something that supports your views.

I am convinced that the holocaust has happened more or less as historic research teaches us. There might be inaccuracy in the numbers and method as one would expect after almost a human's lifetime has passed, but it has happened. All this blubber of jewish conspiracies, it's so ridiculous to me. Just thinking about what it would take to pull something like this off, it's mind-boggling.

And just for the record, I have recently started to oppose the anti-denial laws in my country and in others. Thanks to you and your buddies. Because if this is all you can bring up, we have nothing to be afraid of.

 

"I am convinced that the holocaust has happened more or less as historic research teaches us."

You haven't presented any credible historic research that supports your position.

 

I have found no evidence that people who call the holocaust a hoax aren't a danger to themselves or others.

 

Let's discuss what is and is not "Nonsense". You still aren't making any point that's worthy of debate. Your underlying point appears to be that millions of Jews did NOT die at the hands of the Nazis. If so, that claim is a Lie. Nobody can prove with certainty how many Jews died from gas, how many were shot and buried in mass graves, how many were burned in crematories, how many were beaten to death, how many were worked to death, and how many were starved or died from a lack of medical care. The fact remains that the Nazis murdered well over one million Jews, possibly as many as 6 million.

The Nazi treatment of Jews was purposeful! That treatment was perpetrated solely because the victims were Jews! The deaths of those Jews constitute a "holocaust" by ANY definition of the word! To pretend otherwise is NONSENSE!

 

I noted that you conveniently did not quote from my Post #205. In that post I explained how the word "Holocaust" is "commonly defined". You ignored that definition, continuing to cling to your meaningless verbal gymnastics. I'll quote from my post #205 below.

"WHAT is the point of your post? If your only point is that absolute proof doesn’t exist that 6-million Jews were murdered in gas chambers, most everyone would agree with you. If your only point is that absolute proof doesn’t exist to support that the total number of murders was 6 million, most everyone would agree with that point also. However, if your point is that proof doesn’t exist that the Nazis conducted a holocaust against the Jews, you are WRONG, and the proof is overwhelming!"

"Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines “holocaust” as: “A mass slaughter of people; especially: GENOCIDE”. There is plenty of evidence that one million and more Jews were killed by the Nazis using a combination of firing squads, carbon monoxide gas vans, malnutrition, beatings, gas chamber, and overwork. The Nazi view of Jews is NOT open to question. The Nazis wanted NO Jews alive within German-held territories. Those who believe that the holocaust didn’t happen are either uninformed, bigoted, or chronically stupid! That is unless you believe that to be considered “mass slaughter”, the death toll must exceed 1.5 million or so?? If so, you’ll have a hard time proving it, for in the USA, mass murderers have been classified as such after committing only 8-10 murders. The Nazis achieved a far higher body count than that!"

Your entire argument in this thread has been that because absolute proof doesn't exist that 6 million Jews were murdered in gas chambers, the holocaust didn't happen. Such an argument is simple-minded, uninformed, juvenile, and bigoted! If you believe that the Nazi treatment of Jews was benign and loving, YOU need to provide the proof supporting such an idiotic claim.

 

You've got the wrong end of the stick entirely. I am asking for evidence of approx 6000000 Jews being killed, and the use of gas chambers. I am not disputing that Jews were killed.

 

I've only seen testimony offered as proof of the existence of gas chambers. That's pretty weak because people can lie. I've seen substancial evidence that there were no gas chambers though. Check out this video at the 46:40 time mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X1owF0vgnw&bpctr=1376830507
"Judea Declares War on Germany" (Complete)

I'm still waiting for Ronstar to answer this question which I asked in post #241.
http://www.politicalforum.com/zionist-agenda/317262-evidence-holocaust-25.html#post1062994592