If Slavery was the Worst Atrocity committed by USA, why are more Americans not ENRAGE

Sure, slavery was/is awful, but that's just the tip of the horrible crap iceberg that the USA was/is responsible for.

Can we talk genocide? Oh, yes we can. See, when them lovable goofs the Europeans came sailing their way over to this new land, there were nations already here. (with functioning governments and everything) But, because they weren't, you know, European, the indigenous people of America were over the course of the next couple hundred years nearly wiped the (*)(*)(*)(*) out. The rest that weren't were herded off to "reservations" (commonly known as concentration camps) Eventually though, after thousands of lawsuits, many reservations aren't that bad anymore, (but they still exist).

Oh speaking of concentration camps, yeah, we did that to our own citizens too in WWII. Just ask George Takei about all the FUN that was!

So yeah, where does America think it has the moral high ground to do anything?

 

Well, according to my (reputable) source, most of the people who engaged in the revolt weren't even slaves. Indeed, the leader of the revolt wasn't even an Arab, but black. For further reading:


http://books.google.com/books?id=Wkqlp-lHllcC&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

Islamic History, Vol. 2: A New Interpretation

One man's account? ok, Ill raise you 4 more.


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/655771/Zanj-rebellion

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/slaverebel.htm

https://libcom.org/library/zanj-slaves-rebellion-ad-869-883

http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/7-famous-slave-revolts

All sources state that not only was it the largest slave rebellion in history, even trumping the 3rd Servile War during the Roman Empire, but also stating that the slaves were black and part of an uprising against their Arab masters.

Next!!!!

 

No academic sources?

 

So basically you give us 3 contemporary (i.e 21st century) european (who weren't even there of course) accounts of the Zanj and another account that declined to provide a source which makes it no more than a blog. Unfortunately this cannot be deemed credible, primary or peer reviewed sources and it looks more like Whites trying to deflect away from their own heinous acts in Africa.

 

The ONLY Americans that want to engage in a discussion about slavery are the ones that like to pretend that it was all due to "Africans selling their own into slavery"

 

What? Like it wasn't a for profit business to kidnap, beat, starve, rape, ship, human beings for slave labor? Who wouldn't want to talk about that? FUN TIMES! By which I mean dark horrible period in our history that we should never forget happened.

 

https://archive.org/stream/AServile...turyMesopotamia/Noldeke_Zenj#page/n1/mode/2up

 

lol nobody is trying to deflect anything. We know our history as American's, and considering we have to hear about it damn near on a daily basis it is not like we will forget.

You will not accept any source that does not go by your agenda, that has already been proven over and over on here. Back up your claims with your facts then and show us where you got these claims. But don't come in here and doubt my sources when you have provided nothing other than "nuh uhhhh" " no it is not like that, it is like this" "you are racist" and not have any sources to prove your uneducated and unproven counter argument.

 

What about the black slave owners? Yes, black slave owners existed. You see slavery was a have vs have not issue. Not a black vs white issue.

 

Well I have never sold anyone a blanket. The plague was brought to Europe by Asians....crap happens. Why do libs have such a lousy understanding of history?

 

This textbook from 1892. Nevertheless, can you pinpoint me to the pertinent passage?

 

1st off, good to see another Idahoan on here!

With that said, you do realize we as a nation are paying for a world police force that the other 230 or so nations pay NOTHING on, right?
We also have the great privilege of paying taxes to keep a central bank propped up that is the back bone of ALL of their central banks.

I don't think anyone on here is pro-slavery.

But have you ever heard the term, "clean your own porch before you yell at the neighbors to clean theirs"?

 

So I ask a question "What about the black slave owners?" and I guess you do not want to discuss anymore.

 

It is YOU that is making a claim don't forget. I am simply asking for your evidence of which you have only provided a page from Wikipedia. That page even states that there is little evidence of slaves being exported to Iraq in this time period.
In summary, your own evidence, which is not a primary source, even has doubts about the trade. Wikipedia sites one source for this and that is JSTOR in which you have to subscribe or even pay to read it. This is why you have provided no evidence, just European musings on what may or could have happened with the Zanj Rebellion. The Wikipedia article states that they must have been slaves because there was so many. What? That is not evidence or proof of anything other than that there were large numbers of Blacks.
I am looking for the truth, are you?
For what it's worth, I have a primary source, from 2,000 years ago that is what you are possibly looking for that may back up your assumption to a degree. That you are apparently unaware of this source, you haven't mentioned it, would lead me to believe that you are simply taking a blind guess based on the Wiki article you read, an article that could have been written by anybody.

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Got any names to back up your statement?

 

A german author writing about the Zanj rebellion that happened 1,000 years before he was born.

 

From your source;

It was not a slave revolt. It was a zanj, i.e. a Negro, revolt. To equate Negro with slave is a reflection of nineteenth-century racial theories; it could only apply to the American South before the Civil War. ... All the talk about slaves rising against the wretched conditions of work in the salt marshes of Baṣra is a figment of the imagination and has no support in the sources. On the contrary, some of the people who were working in the salt marshes were among the first to fight against the revolt. Of course there were a few runaway slaves who joined the rebels, but this still does not make it a slave revolt. The vast majority of the rebels were Arabs of the Persian Gulf supported by free East Africans who had made their homes in the region.

Your source, Wiki, appears to contradict itself. Yet it doesn't, because Wiki is not a source, it's an info dump and a great one too. Don't abuse it, learn from it.

 

Lol now we got a problem with the year it was written?


Page 154 and on man lol. Geez.

Just wondering what else you want to complain about that isn't up to YOUR standards.

 

Of course we have a problem with the date.

Providing us text that was written by a 19th century Western historian is like giving us scientific research on a given subject from the same time period.

Anyway, I don't see the author of your source providing us with evidence that the rebels were (or mostly were) slaves. He, as Shaban says, has the preconceived notion that black means slave.

In America, all black people were slaves. That wasn't the case in the Islamic world. And slaves in the Islamic world generally did domestic housework...they didn't till the land until they dropped dead.

America has a racial problem; the Islamic world doesn't.

 

Then you didn't read the source because it made clear remarks about East African's and Negro slaves. Especially to how brave they were in battle.

Now please share all your sources for all of your claims as you have had me do . Or am I going to keep getting the run around and have to accept your word as truth? Especially about a revolution you did not even know about until yesterday.

 

I read the source, from 154-158. No where does it explain how he reached the conclusion that they were "slaves". He basically inserted that word in front of negro for what could have been many a reason, like the one Goomba implied. Blacks live and have lived throughout antiquity in that region and for you/them to imply they must have been slaves is imo out of order, lazy, never mind wholly inaccurate.

 

Your source nevertheless referred to it as a "slave" revolt. Here are two other academic sources taken directly out of an article (non-academic) that discusses the issue:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...ellion_did_black_slaves_revolt_in_iraq.4.html

Yes, I'm aware that the author himself disagrees with the contentions of the two academics he cites. But the debate is between you and me, so let's hear what you think, considering all the information revealed so far. Indeed, why do you consider it to be a "slave" revolt?

 

Obviously you've left out Human Slave Trafficking that is alive and well throughout the world, including Asia, Europe, UK and America. International law also appears to be ineffective in fighting Human trafficking in both Northern and Southern Africa. Muslims have continued the age old habit of enslavement of others they consider lower than themselves. In fact they sold the first black slaves to Portugal, Spain and Britain to stock the New World with cheap labor. It is no different today according to Muslims in the Middle East.
See:
http://www.du.edu/korbel/hrhw/researchdigest/trafficking/InternationalLaw.pdf

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/human-trafficking/

http://www.dhs.gov/human-trafficking-laws-regulations

http://www.no-trafficking.org/resources_int_tip_laws.html

 

Leftist revisionist historians have brainwashed the masses into thinking that only, and only the whites enslavement of blacks to be "an atrocity."

Literally, the average dullard can only envision a whtie on black problem.

However, free thinkers, like myself, condem equally all who had slaves back 200 years.

All the blacks cheifs in Africa that captured and enslaved enemy black tribes were ***holes that should have known better.

All the Native Americans who captured Red and White enemies and enslaved them were also ***holes that should have known better.

Of course all Muslims that still capture and enslave blacks and other enemies continue to be ***holes that know better, and don't care.

 

Geez this is from a long time ago.

Notice I said "take action", not "invade". I was referring not necessarily to governments, but also private action groups and worldwide communities, like the International Justice Mission, which seeks to free slaves around the world.