WWII - Eastern Front - General Remer

however.What do you think, what is the target Stalin had?

 

Stalin's target?

To watch the Germans fight the British, while in the meantime building up a huge invasion army and come steamrolling into Europe to take it all over when the Germans were weakened enough.

After the Soviet Union came to an end in 1990, it became known that Hitler attacked them only 2 weeks prior to the Soviet Union going on the attack, which completely caught them off-guard. As the Soviet army was built for offensive purposes, they were easily overrun by the Germans during operation Barbarossa.

 

Stalin's dream surely was to spread communism all over Europe and eventually over the rest of the world. The brave Germans stopped him midway!

 

Mein Kampf was written in 1926. Consequently, Hitler and "The brave Germans" dreamed to conquer Lebensraum For Germans in Russia when only few west people knew who is Stalin.

Stalin read Mein Kampf.
Stalin knew Hitler's dream.
Hence in 1941, if your theory is correct, Stalin wanted to get ahead Hitler*s assault ("dream"). It is logical?

 

My question was about it.
Correct answer:

Stalin was preparing the Russia to Hitler was not able to fulfill his "dream" about " Lebensraum " for Germans..

 

This really beautiful song is playing for 'The brave Germans'.

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[video=youtube;8DXruigKRRc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DXruigKRRc[/video]

 

Yes, it is! And so is the Erika Song.
Are you getting romantic/nostalgic or are you actually a German guy?

About Lebensraum, which you claim was Hitlers crime and reason to start the war.
I looked around to find something neutral and more truthful. Metapedia writes...

You seem to have forgotten that the victors of WWI had taken away large pieces of territory in the East and the West from the Germans, who even got blamed to have started the war, which again is not the truth.
Here is a map of Germany before WWI...

The sections in pink where taken away from Germany. Naturally, Hitler, who cared deeply for his "Volk", wanted those lands back, it possible through negotiations, which he achieved partly.

For four decades, for example, almost all of German contemporary historiography has championed the claim that the German campaign against Russia had been a merciless attack intended solely to gain territory in the East, at the expense of the Slavs living there.
This claim persisted until V. Suvorov[157] and E. Topitsch[158] both presented compelling proof that the Russian Campaign was in fact a preventive war against the Soviet Union which had been poised to strike – which, of course, does not preclude a policy of Lebensraum (living space) on the part of the Third Reich.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the opening of Soviet archives it has suddenly grown quiet among the ranks of those historians who formerly argued against the thesis of the preventive war; especially the German media, however, continue to propagate the lie of the attack on peace-loving Russia] – in contrast to the Russian media.
Neither Topitsch, the philosopher, nor Suvorov, the Russian officer in exile, are German historians, yet their researches have resulted in a radical re-thinking process. Admittedly, many historians as yet shy away from the theses of Suvorov and Topitsch, since it is a matter of principle with them to feel ill at ease with a thesis which exonerates the Third Reich from one of its evil deeds."

It is disgusting how the German historians so quickly and willingly hang their own nation on the gallows! And you, Mister RUS, relish those stupid lies while your own fellow Russians publish truthfully the real facts.

Read more here:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

 

That's because of this:

 

Another 83 years! There will be no Germany left. It will probably be called "Gerabia"!!!

 

See the primary source.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html

Therefore the “wanted those lands back “ was not the reason why Hitler started the war.

 

It's true.See the primary source.

It has been already written in 1926.



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Stalin read Mein Kampf.
Stalin knew Hitler's dream.
Hence in 1941, Stalin wanted to get ahead Hitler's assault ,,,,,, (cancel fulfillment of Hitler's dream). It is logical?

 

Russians Celebrate 67th Anniversary Of Victory Day (May 9, 1945)

Sadly, a lot of Russians aren't any more inquisitive than Americans. They're told, "Hitler was a really bad guy, we had to stop him... end of story." Most Russians accept this.

However, thanks to the internet, the truth being told. And millions of Russians are now asking two simple questions:

1. "Just what exactly did we fight for??? - another 45 years of brutal oppression, murder, enslavement, and widespread destitute (i.e. 1945 - 1990)????"

Then they ask:

2. "Had Germany won, would life for Soviets have been better than under Stalin & under Communism in general? - Seriously, how could it have been any worse?"

These are the two taboo questions Russians dare not even ponder. But many are indeed pondering them. And the answers to both questions are obvious to anyone who takes the time to do some research. Some 20,000,000 million Soviets died in WWII... and died for what? For what??? They died so that the brutal oppression of Soviet citizens could continue, which it did.

Many historians are honestly & objectively re-examining these questions. But many Professors of History ignore these questions because the truth is politically incorrect (and probably would cost them their job, especially if they don't yet have tenure). Academic freedom?? Sure, so long as you follow the official sanctioned view of WWII history.

The answer to question "1" is, yes, of course that's what Soviets fought for (continued oppression). Most didn't fight willingly as they were conscripted (drafted). Defying Stalin meant certain death. Better to take your chances on the battlefield. And many Soviets bought into the Soviet propaganda (lies) about Germany. Interestingly (or not) hundreds of thousands of Soviets defected and joined the German forces (via the Waffen-SS and other military units) since they correctly saw Germany as their liberator.

The answer to question "2" is, yes, of course life for the Soviets would have been better had Germany won WWII, much better in fact.

Regarding Germany policy pertaining to Slavic peoples and the Eastern regions, the following is most likely what would have happened:

- Germany would take large parts of Eastern territory which, incidentally, were formerly theirs in the old German Empire. They'd also grab a bit more Eastern land (i.e., part of their Lebensraum program). The local populations in those areas would be evaluated for their "Germanification" potential. Those who could be "Germanified" would stay, others would likely be relocated to somewhere east of the Urals. The criteria which determined if one could be Germanified? Well, it wasn't about having blond hair/blue eyes. The German Reich would have looked at family history, any criminal record, intelligence, profession, etc.

- The East would have been divided into Reichcommisariats i.e., political administrative regions. The geographic boundaries of each Reichcommisariat would be drawn along ethnic lines (of course) to avoid future internal conflicts.

- Education and social policy for the local Slavs/Russians/Baltics/Ukrainians/etc would be determined by the Slavs/Russians/Baltics/Ukrainians/etc themselves albeit with (likely) guidance and "steering" by the regional Reichcommisariat administrative body. Religion would be allowed (of course). Nobody would be trapped, i.e., one was free to leave their country/Reichcommisariat if they so chose (unlike under Stalin's rule). The economy would likely be Fascist or Fascist-like (see my article here). And if you think Fascism is an "evil" system, you watch far too much TV and Hollywood movies.

- Military forces would not be allowed in each Reichcommisariat perhaps with the exception of a ceremonial local "force." Germany would provide military defense should it be needed for whatever reason in the future. I suppose a good example/model is Japan and how the USA managed that nation post WWII. Japan was fully permitted to remain Japanese; and we provided them w/ military protection.

Slovakia and how Germany administered it and its people is a pretty good example (albeit w/ some unique particularities) of how Germany would have administered the Eastern territories.

Again, would life for the average Slavic person been better had Germany won WWII, definitely yes.

Lastly, and needless to say, all the nonsense about Hitler wanting to make the East a big slave State to serve the Germany Reich is just that, nonsense (again if you believe that, you watch far too much TV/movies).

Yes, it's true that Hitler didn't feel Slavs were on the same level as Germans. Regardless, Slavic peoples would have prospered under their protectorate/vassal status under the German Reich.

Regarding the relocation of Slavs whom the Reich felt could not be Germanified, this really isn't any worse than what did happen after WWII with the mass expulsion of some 12 million Germans from East to West. And it's reasonable to assume that Germany wouldn't have simply "dumped" such Slavs in some area east of the Urals; rather they would have implemented all of the above items I outlined w/ regard to education/social policy/etc.

As just one Reichskommissariat example, here is a map for the proposed Reichskommissariat of Ukraine:

 

" O, du lieber Deutsch.....
I am not a German guy . I am Russian boy.
(In Russia, the word "gay" ( "гей" ) means "a homosexual".)

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the Erika Song, as lyrical as the Augustin Song, is being executed in the form of a military march.
Only Germans can do such a thing!

 

Sorry. herr Offizier!
I'll tell you tomorrow.

 

1) Hitler planned libensraum for the Germans. More precisely - for immigrants from Germany. The best more precisely - for the best representatives of the superior race of Aryans . Hitler says it in Mein Kampf.

What will must do a representatives of an inferior race on the territory of the best Aryan "Libensraum"?
They must serve Aryan there or they're not to be there.
Is this logically? Yes. This is logically.

2) Just you tell, it's the same thing ..... a horse live better in the stables than in the prairie. Maybe it is so…..Perhaps you say about yourself ….but your thesis is a pointless .

3) “,,,, relocated to somewhere east of the Urals “,,, ? What for?.....philanthropy?..... humanism?......If there is a proven technology and experts ....

death camp gas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp



Whom you are fooling? Me or yourself?

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Watch this video from start to end, to see the lies regarding the Olympic athlete Jesse Owens and Hitler + to learn more about the National Socialist racial policies:

[video=youtube;SImdg8Zp5zs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SImdg8Zp5zs[/video]

 

I will see, but answer the question:

3) “,,,, relocated to somewhere east of the Urals “,,, ? What for?......If there is a proven technology and experts ....

death camp gas

 

Because: - Germany would take large parts of Eastern territory which, incidentally, were formerly theirs in the old German Empire. They'd also grab a bit more Eastern land (i.e., part of their Lebensraum program). The local populations in those areas would be evaluated for their "Germanification" potential. Those who could be "Germanified" would stay, others would likely be relocated to somewhere east of the Urals. The criteria which determined if one could be Germanified? Well, it wasn't about having blond hair/blue eyes. The German Reich would have looked at family history, any criminal record, intelligence, profession, etc.

And there were no death camps; this was invented by the Soviets / Allies after the war. Will go into that subject after you've watched the vid and responded to that.

 

I saw SS man in a turban, and I had one more question.

Are You seriously think that the Aryans would left Crimean Tatars in the Crimea libensraum ?

 

I notice you are very nitpicky on all the presented information. You only take out very small portions (copy only a few words out of a complete text) in stead of taking in the whole story and responding to that.

What do you see in the below picture?



And of course the Aryans would have left the Tatars in the Crimea territory! What the hell are you thinking? That the Aryans wanted to dispose of everyone non-Aryan? Pure nonsense.

Tatars fought alongside the Germans in their SS divisions:

Jamala's 1944: Song for Nazi Tatars
16.05.2016



In April-May of 1944, the Crimean Tatar battalions took part in battles against the Red Army in the Crimea. The units that were evacuated from the Crimea in June 1944, were compiled into the Tatar mountain-Jaeger three-battalion SS Regiment. A month later, the group became the first Tatar-mountain-Jaeger SS Brigade (2,500 troops) under the command of SS Standartenführer Fortenbah. On 31 December 1944, the unit was disbanded to become a part of the East Turkic branch of SS as the Crimea battle group: two infantry battalions and one hundred horses.

German Field Marshal Erich von Manstein testified: "Most of the Crimean Tatar population was very friendly to us. We could even form armed self-defense companies from the Tatars, whose task was to protect their villages from guerrillas that were hiding in the mountains. The powerful guerrilla movement appeared in the Crimea from the very start, and it was causing us great trouble. The reason for the movement to appear was the fact that there were many Russians among the population of the Crimea, in addition to the Tatars and other small ethnic groups.

"The Tartars stood on our side at once. In December 1941, Muslim Tatar committees supporting the German occupation administration were established in the Crimea. The Central Crimean Muslim Committee started working in Simferopol. Their organization and activities were carried out under the direct supervision of SS. Subsequently, the committees were handed over to the SD headquarters. In September 1942, the German occupation administration banned the use of the title word "Crimean," and the committee was called the Simferopol Muslim Committee. In 1943, it was renamed to the Simferopol Tatar Committee. The committee consisted of six departments: for the struggle against Soviet partisans, for the formation of volunteer units, for assisting the families of volunteers, for culture and propaganda; for religion, for maintenance and chancellory."

The original program of the committee stipulated for the creation of a state of Crimean Tatars in the Crimea under the protectorate of Germany, with its own parliament and army. However, in the winter of 1941-42, the German command made it clear that it did not intend to create any public formation in the Crimea. The Nazi plan was to make the Crimea a part of the Reich as the imperial land Gotenland.

In October 1941, the establishment of volunteer units of the Crimean Tatars was started. The main task for them was to fight the guerrillas. Prior to January 1942, this process was going spontaneously. Yet, after Hitler officially sanctioned the recruitment of volunteers from among the Crimean Tatars, more than 8,600 volunteers were recruited in January 1942. As a result, 14 self-defense companies were formed.

Tatar volunteer corps were implementing mass executions of Soviet citizens. They were free in their actions in matters of punitive activity. To escape from their violence, Russian-speaking residents of the Crimea would at times seek assistance from the German authorities. In March 1942, there were 4,000 people serving in self-defense companies, while another 5,000 were in the reserve. Battalions of auxiliary police were then formed from those companies (eight such units had been formed by November 1942. Two ore battalions were formed in 1943.

The units of the Crimean Tatars would be used to protect military and civilian targets; they would be actively involved in the fight against the guerrillas. In 1944, they showed resistance to the liberation of the Crimea by the Red Army. The remains of the Crimean Tatar units together with the German and Romanian troops were evacuated from the Crimea by sea.

In the summer of 1944, in Hungary, the remnants of the Crimean Tatar units were used to form the Tatar mountain-Jaeger SS Regiment, which was soon reorganized into the 1st Tatar mountain-Jaeger SS Brigade. The brigade was disbanded on December 31, 1944 and converted into the Crimea battle group that subsequently merged with the East Turkic SS branch. The Crimean Tatars that did not join the Tatar-Jaeger SS Regiment, were sent to France, where they enrolled auxiliary anti-aircraft defense services.

http://www.pravdareport.com/history/16-05-2016/134431-jamala_1944-0/

 

^ I see the above story is also flawed, as it comes from a somewhat mainstream media source.

However, the Tatars definately fought alongside the Germans, but there were no mass executions of Soviet citizens.

 

Thanks buddy. This is great wick for my best dear opponent Alik Bahshi.

 

In the post above yours, I already stated that that part is incorrect. There were NO mass executions of Soviet citizens.

The German soldiers were Christian crusaders under the banner of the Swastika, and Christians don't go killing or raping civilians.
Hitler ordered anyone from the Wehrmacht or Weapon SS who raped or anything like that to be executed.

Matter of fact, the Germans were welcomed as liberators by the Soviet civilians, as their churches were reopened again and they did not have to live under Stalin's yoke during that time:

Secret archive reveals how Russia showed huge support for 'Christian crusader' Nazi invaders who had come to fight 'godless communists'

By Allan Hall for MailOnline
Updated: 17:24 GMT, 14 June 2011

An extraordinary secret archive has revealed for the first time how thousands of Soviet citizens collaborated with Nazi invaders during World War II.

The cache of documents, some retrieved from the files of the KGB, shows how many viewed the Germans as Christian liberators – and their own masters as godless Communists.

This view was reinforced when the soldiers of the Third Reich opened up 470 churches in north-western Russia alone and reinstated priests driven from their pulpits by Stalin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Christian-crusader-Nazis-World-War-II.html

 

This is a very strong argument.
(*)I have nothing to object to you.
Ich übergebe.Ich gebe auf. Ich kapitulierte.

In short ... As we say in Russia, in such cases: " Замнём для ясности".