A Reality Check on Race and IQ

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    So are humans more violent than chimps or large cats?

    How many world wars did lions start...
     
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    Despite West Europeans being closer to Africans than they are to E Asians or E Europeans, they still have their very own special history and foreign policy of conquering and bringing complete destruction upon peoples. A history that is still ongoing with the global foreign policy today.

    Their history is unmatched by anything anyone's ever done, Africans included.

    Anyway, gotta be careful with comparing African violence with E Asians and E Europeans violence, especially since the most brutal people in history were E Asian and E European. Also, some of the most atrocious things to occur in history included instances involving E Asians and E Europeans.
     
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    Are you sure you don't agree with what I'm saying?

    Humans are far more violent than chimps and large cats. I can't for the life of me recall a time when chimps or large Felidae committed complete genocide and launched wars on anything so no they aren't more violent than humans.
     
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    Yes, I agree in terms of what you're discussing, humans are more violent. Obviously, other animals are incapable of our level of violence. But that's a fallacious argument because you won't feel safer in a lion enclosure than the public area with those violent humans.
     
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    While this is true, it does not negate the point I made in my first post, which was basically that the ability to exercise force effectively and to be cunning is more of a factor in why we see the world we do today than race is. Many empires, if not all were forged through violence and deception.
     
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    Well, I didn't say that, Western Europeans are still closer to Eastern Europeans, and East Asians than to Africans, but they're the 2nd closest people to Africans outside of Arabs.

    As for historical violence, Western Europeans are definitely more violent than Eastern Europeans, or East Asians.

    Western European history includes WW1, WW2, the Belgian Congo Genocide, the Holocaust, the British Famine genocides of India, the British genocides of Ireland, the Napoleonic wars, the 30 year war, the Native American genocides, the Atlantic Slave Trade, the Scramble for Africa, etc. etc.

    The only thing that rivals this from Eastern Europe is the Soviet era, which neither Lenin, nor Stalin were true Eastern Europeans.

    Stalin was Georgian, who Georgians are more like Near-Easterners, and Lenin was Jewish, Kalmyk, Swedish, Volga German, and Chuvash.
    (Which means Lenin was a mish mash of Semite, Asiatic, and Western European)

    The NKVD during the height of it's terror was majority Jewish, and also founded by a Jew named Genrikh Yagoda.

    As for Asians they too have been more violent than Eastern Europeans, with the likes of Genghiz Khan, Mao, Hirohito, etc. even so that doesn't add up to what Western Europeans have done.
     
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    Eastern Europeans have much higher rates of poverty, alcholism and crime than Western Europeans
     
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    Argentina's mostly Italian, Spanish, German etc.

    Argentina's murder rate is about 7 times higher than those countries.

    Only one country in Eastern Europe has a higher murder rate than Argentina, and that's Russia.

    As for poverty, of course, Eastern Europe was victimized by 2 World wars mostly fought on their soil, before being chucked to the Soviet Union which all kept the economy down.
     
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    WW1 was mostly fought in France.

    Argentina is not in Western Europe.
     
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    Poland's probably the most purely Eastern European, of Eastern Europe, judging by R1a haplogroup frequencies.

    Murder, and Alcoholism, are generally lower in Poland, than in Western Europe, despite Poland having lower incomes.

    As I mentioned Argentina is mostly made up of people of South / Western European heritage, and their murder rate is higher than all of Eastern Europe, except Russia.

    Besides, the murder rate of Eastern Europe has gone down a lot since the 1990's, as incomes have gone up.

    I suspect much of Eastern Europe naturally has a lower murder rate than Western Europe.

    Poland, Slovenia, and Czech Republic despite having lower incomes than Germany, and Britain, already have lower murder rates than Germany, or Britain.
     
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    the areas of Europe that have the most poverty, are in the East

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    this is even after Poland got 300 billion Euros in aid from the EU since 2004, which is around $450 billion. That's a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of money.

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    on the contrary, Eastern Europe likely has higher crime rates than the Benelux states, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Scotland,

    why? poverty causes crime
     
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    which clearly demonstrates that it's environment (culture etc).
     
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    Eastern Europe is behind because of Communism, which your Jews played a big role in.

    How do you think the Soviets overthrew the Tsarist regime?

    They had massive amounts of funding from Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, Otto Kahn, Felix Warburg, Max Warburg, Izrael Helphand, and Yakub Furstenberg - Ganetsky.

    Of course Lenin was part Jewish, and Leon Trotsky - Bronstein was a full on Jew.
     
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    as per crime, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova have MUCH higher incarceration rates than many parts of Western Europe and even Africa.
     
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    Argentina's murder rate is still much lower than the African American murder rate, even though African Americans are much richer than those in Argentina.
     
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    Russia, the king of Eastern Europe, has an incarceration rate of 450 per 100,000.

    which is much higher than most of the rest of the world.
     
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    Poland's murder rate is now lower than Germany, Britain, France, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, Australia, Canada etc.
     
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    The Chinese in Malaysia were traditionally the ones doing the discriminating. You have it entirely wrong. Only relatively recently has govt instituted laws precisely to help curb this discrimination, and to give the indigenous people a chance to catch up.
     
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    The U.S.A has the highest incarceration rate in the World, do you think that the U.S.A has more murder than Honduras, El Salvador, and Jamaica some of the murder capital hotspots of the World?
     
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    Incarceration rates in Western Europe:

    Liechtenstein 27

    Iceland 45

    Sweden 53

    Finland 55

    Denmark 61

    Netherlands 69

    Norway 70



    Incarceration rates in Eastern Europe:

    Romania 142

    Serbia 142

    Ukraine 168

    Hungary 183

    Slovakia 186

    Poland 187

    Czech Republic 211

    Estonia 221

    Moldova (Republic of) 222

    Belarus 306

    Russian Federation 450



    certainly looks like Eastern Europe is more violent than Western Europe.

    And btw, check out these incarceration rates for some major African nations:

    Central African Republic 16

    Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) 29

    Mali 33

    Nigeria 35

    Chad 39

    Burkina Faso 41

    Mauritania 44

    Ghana 49

    Liberia 49

    Sudan 50

    Niger 44




    ....very interesting.
     
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    Tell me who was more violent when Western European Germans did the Holocaust, when Polish had the highest number of Righteous Among the Nations to risk their lives to save Holocaust Jews, and Soviet Russia liberated the concentration camps?

    Interestingly, Oskar Schindler came from Slovakia, and it was East Germans like Friedrich Olbricht, and Henning von Tresckow who staged Operation Valkyrie against Nazi Germany.

    So, absolutely Eastern Europeans are less violent.

    Poland's murder rate is currently lower than Germany's.

    I suspect Poland's murder rate will go even much lower.
     
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    we're not talking about 70 years ago bro, we're talking about today.

    why do several very large nations in Africa and most of Western Europe have 1/3 the incarceration rate of most Eastern Europe nations?
     
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