A Trump administration thaw with Russia is ‘unacceptable,’ McCain says

Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Pretty powerful stuff.

Also the guy that Trump said was not a hero because he got caught, but whatever.

Anyway, John McCain seems to have stated his thoughts on the Putin-Trump romance, or the apparent desire to acquiesce to the imperialistic tendencies of Russia and their support of dictatorial regimes. It seems he is not too fond of the thought of warming relations with Russia considering their takeover of the Crimea and other such notions.

Kind of makes me wonder how long, if the do at all, until Congress fully revolts agaisnt the president form their own party.


Let me guess. He is an old hawk, neo con, rino who no one listens to anymore and is well past his prime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b5c4da-ab5a-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

Sen. John McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, sent his first shot across the bow of President-elect Donald Trump’s national security plans Tuesday, saying that any attempt to “reset” relations with Russia is unacceptable.

“With the U.S. presidential transition underway, Vladi(*)mir Putin has said in recent days that he wants to improve relations with the United States,” McCain (R-Ariz.) said in a statement released by his office.

“We should place as much faith in such statements as any other made by a former KGB agent who has plunged his country into tyranny, murdered his political opponents, invaded his neighbors, threatened America’s allies and attempted to undermine America’s elections,” he said.

[U.S. accuses Russia of ‘barbarism’ and war crimes in Syria]
John McCain's up-and-down relationship with Donald Trump
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Sen. John McCain has repeatedly come under attack from GOP nominee Donald Trump. Here are just a few of their rocky moments. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)

McCain gave tepid support to Trump after the Republican nominating convention, then withdrew it in October after the leak of a 2005 recording revealing Trump making demeaning remarks about women, and then declined to speak about him as he headed toward his own reelection last week.

His comments about Russia followed a telephone call between Trump and Putin on Monday and came amid reports of upheaval in the national security transition.

In their conversation, the Kremlin said, Putin and Trump agreed that U.S.-Russia relations are “unsatisfactory” and vowed to work together to improve them. Trump’s office later said that they had discussed shared threats and challenges, and the long-term relationship between them.

In his statement, McCain pointed out that Russia, in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, resumed large-scale bombardment Tuesday in Syria.

[Russian warplanes from Mediterranean carrier join Syria attacks]

“The Obama administration’s last attempt at resetting relations with Russia culminated in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and military intervention in the Middle East,” McCain said. “At the very least, the price of another ‘reset’ would be complicity in Putin and Assad’s butchery of the Syrian people.

“That is an unacceptable price for a great nation. When America has been at its greatest, it is when we have stood on the side [of] those fighting tyranny,” McCain added. “That is where we must stand agai

 

I normally do not agree with Trump but on this issue McCain is wrong and Trump is right. Russia is a country that can destroy the world. We are a country that can destroy the world. THAT should be the basis of all of our diplomacy with them.

 

We should put Putin's claims to the test.

Is he ready to help cause a peaceful regime change in Syria?

Or, is he going to continue to bomb the civilian majority who oppose Assad?

 

We worked with them on the nuclear deal with Iran. That was a success.

On Syria, Russia has reversed itself on progress we've made with them. They have essentially refused to make progress toward any direction that has a chance of resolving the issues there. Their bombing missions are reported to be designed to kill those opposed to the Assad dictatorship that is staying in power through lethal force against his people.

If they want to be closer, they can always choose to negotiate in good faith on what is surely the key issue in that region.

 

McCain is an old hawk, neo con, rino who no one listens to anymore and is well past his prime. Having Russia as an ally is acceptable in my opinion. Nobody had a problem with Russia until he said nice things about Trump. Funny how that works.

 

If Russia wishes to meddle in civil war let them. We should wash our hands of the whole area. We do not need the Middle East and it is not worth one life on either side. Frankly a good relationship with Russia is a million times better then a good relationship with what ever dictator takes over after Assad.

 

Really? No one had any issue with Russians brutal prosecution of Syrian rebels, support for Assad, nor invasion and annexation of part of the Ukraine?

I am going to have to disagree with your assessment based on reality.

 

Russia was against our attempt at regime change and nation building in Syria. Aren't you tired of the US trying to nation build?

 

All that happened on Obamas weak ass watch. Red line in the sand and all. Trump is treating Putin, like he has been treating Obama the past couple of days. Act nice, be cordial and let them think you are a nice guy. But if they step out of line, he will deal with it.

Why are we in Syria again?? Let the UN handle it.........

 

The Democrats are now the neocon warhawk and wall street party.

 

Beyond wiping out ISIS and AQ in Syria, I don't want America having anything to do with the Syrian civil war.

 

They are exactly the opposite of what they pretended to be eight years ago.

 

McInsane... lol

Also, it's funny to see a Dem supporter so desperate as to pay attention to what that stupid old war hawk says, and it's funny in a tragic way how the Democrats have allowed hawks to take over their party since 0bama took office. Seems they infest whichever party holds power.

 

My God, why doesn't that fool just slink off like old cats and dogs do?

 

The Great Flatu's kissarse approach to the KGB thug is of great concern to many security-minded conservatives, no doubt.

 

I see this as profoundly wrong.

That region supplies the world with a significant percent of the world's oil.

Since oil is sold on a global market, disruption of oil production or shipment would cause a world wide economic crisis. World wide - NOT just there, but here as well.

Plus, we have allies, other trade, interest in reducing the likelihood of more nations with nuclear weapons, etc., etc.

We even care what happens from a humanitarian point of view.

Our direction is the rule of law, not the law of the jungle. We can't just ignore whole regions of the world and expect that our direction will progress absent the interest of the US and other western nations.

 

The profits gained by meddling with the Middle East are not worth the sacrifices. We have all the oil we need, they do not want our help, and there is a worldwide organization that exists for the specific purpose of maintaining world peace.

But let's be clear when you are talking about the USA and Russia you are talking about two powers with the worlds life at their fingertips. We decide if the world lives or dies and nothing any other country can do could stop us from ending the whole world. As such we HAVE to get along. No other relationship comes close. For there to be world peace there has to be a world. This is the law of the Jungle and the USA and Russia have the power to burn it down around all of our ears.

 

That's not the way a global market works.

When there is disruption of oil production in the ME it affects the price of oil pumped in the USA.

I assume you know why.

 

Oil markets only matter if there are living people using oil. I am well aware that there would be market disruptions, but our regional supplies in North America are more then enough for our needs. More importantly a positive USA/Russian relationship would result in less chances of world wide destruction for instance last time we worked together the Nazi's fell and the UN was created. USA/Middle East relationships have historically led us to debt and bloodshed. Really I do not understand how this is even a discussion any longer.

 

I don't think anybody cares what McCain has to say on the matter. His side lost, so back to the kids table with him.

 

McCain is what he is, a war hero who's used his image to gain a voice in DC. He's been the left's media go to guy whenever he decides to criticize Rep's. He stabbed Bush in back more than once & apparently he's decide to get an early start opposing Trump. To bad he won his seat again. He really needs to retire. He's way past due.

 

No thank you to the permanent war footing with Russia while we make deals with Iran....

 

You're right that we have interests in that part of the world. But whether or not Assad controls Syria really has little bearing on those interests. I would think that having some government in Syria, even if it isn't a good government, is better than having little or no government, like in Libya. And if Assad's government falls, that's what we're going to end up with - "Libya" in Syria.

You said "Our direction is the rule of law, not the law of the jungle."

Yes, that is our ideal. But one of the lessons of Iraq is that that ideal is not shared by people in that part of the world. It is a major difference between us and them. What matters to them is religious sect and tribe. Those two things outweigh everything, including the rule of law. They outweigh nationalism. They outweigh democracy. They even outweigh peace. Iraq is a perfect example of this. On literally the day after U.S. forces left Iraq, the Shiite majority government started persecuting the Sunnis. They chose to destroy their country rather than to treat the Sunnis as equal citizens of one nation.

The notion that overthrowing Assad will bring about peace and harmony and justice in Syria is fantasy. Complete fantasy, and the evidence of that is right in front of our eyes.

 

John McCain's idea of "American leadership" is threatening war.

John McCain's idea of "America showing strength" is being in a war.

If he were in charge, he would assemble an invasion force and occupy Syria, and we would be stuck there for .... god knows how long. Probably until we were so sick of it that we just up and left.

How many of you guys would be willing to die in Syria for the cause?

How many of you would sacrifice one of your children for Syria?

Any takers?

 

No offence to McCain, but he's well past his sell-by date, and even 8 years ago in the Pres debates he was tottering around on the stage and I half-expected him to keel over anytime, and the American people must have thought so too and plumped for Obama instead.

Scenario if Johnny had become President-
AIDE- "Wake up Mr. President, a Russian Task Force is sailing towards America across the Bering Strait!"
PRES McCAIN- "Huh....where the hell is that?"
AIDE- "Near Alaska"
PRES McCAIN- "Er...oh...alright, order our Curtiss Jenny squadrons, the Merrimac, Monitor and General Custer to head north"