Why Gun Control is doomed to fail......

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  1. tom444

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    Read it again.
     
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    Latherty, I don't need you, the government or even little green men to tell me how many times per year I can exercise a Right that the government merely guarantees, NOT GRANTS.
     
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    The metric version mags and parts will work in either version, but the inch version mags and parts will not work in metric pattern weapons. If you buy a FN FAL, get the metric for best parts interchangeability.
     
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    I did. and I stand by what I said
     
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    one of the biggest mistakes BM members make-either due to ignorance or dishonesty, is not understanding the concept of what the bill of rights is about. the founders believed free men were endowed with all sorts of rights and unless the federal government was specifically delegated powers to interfere with those rights, the rights remained unscathed. Now some rights which were seen as fundamental, the government was never given any such powers. The anti federalists were worried that merely NOT giving the Federal government certain powers, would not stop others from pretending that the power existed. So the bill of rights reiterated that fact.

    so the bill of rights are a NEGATIVE restriction on federal action meaning the federal government not only was without power to act, it was specifically prohibited from acting

    gun banners claim that if you buy so many guns within a certain period, or if your firearm has a certain number of rounds in it or fires at a certain rate, the government SOMEHOW gains the power to act in an area that not only was it not given any such power, but was specifically banned from acting

    if you read the crap that was excreted by the FDR era courts that sort of analysis was ignored because none of the justices could have kept a straight face claiming that the federal government really had some power to regulate firearms via the FDR mutation of the commerce clause
     
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    I have three metric pattern FALS

    an original FN browning

    a DSA which is a very well made version in the USA

    and a Springfield Armory Politically correct job mainly built on south american parts

    sometimes you see Century Arms jobs that are a patchwork of inch and Metric parts
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    So?
    It's only wasted energy for me, if I determine it's wasted energy... I have a great deal of energy and curiosity, and explore a broad range of activities, building vintage bamboo fly rods from scratch, cycling, flying, martial arts, physics, history, archaeology, culinary arts, primative survival, and many more things to occupy and challenge my mind and curiosity. Guns, their design, ballistics are one such area that grew from my having them as tools of my survival in younger years.
    So what?
    ..yes, it is about me, I wouldn't say otherwise, so if there was a latent slight, it missed it's mark. I don't project my interests and beliefs on others any more than I would my religious beliefs, unless consulted, but I do engage in the supporting the preservation of my and other's rights in that regard as well as other rights we enjoy in the US. My philosophy is basically, don't tread on me and I won't tread on you unless I see you treading on others.
     
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    In those days, I had, what I had, mostly brought to me to repair, and most of what I saw were guns of WWII vintage, mostly Brit and German. I rarely worked on weapons made after the 50's until I came here, so the L1A1's were pretty interesting. I don't remember many parts being interchangeable, but I had limited resources in those days (70's Belfast) and it I am remembering through over 40 years of memories.
    I briefly had a Hi-power, acquired for next to nothing because it was needing care and I repaired and liked it considerably; gave it up when I came to the US in the 70's. I have been considering acquiring a custom Nighthawk, but price is a bit high considering other guns on my wishlist.
     
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    if you like the BHP you will like the CZ better. I have one of the best HP custom rigs available-a wayne Novak BHP with a barsto match barrel, low melt bowmar target sights, complete action job finished in one of those N3 finishes and a built up beavertail. but even though the CZs use cast receivers they balance better and are smoother than the brownings and they are about all I shoot for serious competition these days-and back in the day, I won a bunch of matches shooting that Novak Browning. I used it in some USPSA matches where the 15 round magazines I had made up for minor caliber-often on short fast stages where I was going to get A hits easily
     
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    I have small hands and the Night Hawk I fondled pointed well for me and I liked their trigger. The couple CZ I have held didn't feel as comfortable, but the trigger I did like. I haven't had range time with either so That would be the test... CZ would be far cheaper. Have to try a shop gun one of these days. The BP is as much nastalgia thing for me over practicality and when I picked up a Night Hawk, I was extremely impressed. I have guns that currently fill all my rolls.... but, always looking.
     
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    Are you the self-elected Sherif?
     
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    Humorous
     
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    I don't care what you do.

    The fact of the matter is that a black market in guns is much harder to maintain than a black market in drugs because guns are robust and drugs are consumed. Gun buyers don't buy guns every day, drug users do. Its just a question of volume in a market that exists within a circle of trust.


    Internationally, gun runners supply cartels, organized crime, militias etc, not individual burglars.
     
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    Yet in the meanwhile, two and a half million background checks have blocked
    sales to prohibited persons and you continue to insist that because background
    checks haven't stopped gun fatalities nor have they cured cancer, you should be
    able to sell firearms to complete total strangers, including in those venues that
    felons flock to.

    Where they can find those people who share your inclinations.
     
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    Well, since you prayed.
    A crook may indeed buy more than one gun at a time, but an individual is unlikely to spend a huge amount of money building up an illegal arms store because it can be confiscated.

    What do you mean by "failed"? If a background check is made, a flag is found and the gun sold regardless, then seller gets jail time. If no check is made, seller gets jail time. If check is made and its clear, seller is OK. Not rocket science.
    If your goal is to stop the behavior, why would anyone prefer the difficult target? Use your hands to turn off the tap, rather than try bailing the sink.
     
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    basic BHPs-especially the older ones, are like stock 1911s. The sights suck, the safety is too small and they often won't feed JHP. more current BHPS got dovetail sights, Ambi safeties etc. but the CZs out of the box are generally not needing much of anything.

    Now the CZ's I compete with are their top of the line Limited gun and their Shadow I use is production legal in the leagues I shoot. the limited gun-CTS-is a highly reworked TS with a single action only trigger that is under 2 pounds
     
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    you forgot about the ammo

    you also forget a crucial point. there is no legitimate market for cocaine, LSD, crack or heroin in the USA so there is no diversion. even in the most putrid of bannerrhoid nations, police and military and the elites create a market for firearms and with that, the possibility and reality of diversion
     
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    Total crap. Much like in the 20's and 30's criminal syndicates maintain their own arsenals that are rented when needed. The thug rats do something similar now and also will move guns over distances once they are involved in a crime instead of discarding them as in years past. A Lorcin was disposable, a Glock not so much.
     
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    What's your point? My point is simple: I have an unalienable Right to keep and bear Arms. Do you know what that word unalienable means? Let's have one of the founders address you:

    "The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."

    Albert Gallatin, letter to Alexander Addison, October 7, 1789

    Does your government have the power to do what you advocate? Yep, they sure do. Do they have the authority to do what you want done? Absolutely not. Passing such laws are exactly why we have the Second Amendment. And, the people are obligated to stand against you and repel any efforts to infringe upon the right to keep and bear Arms.
     
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    in Cincinnati, the local news did a report on how gangs had stashed guns in public places for use and other reasons. They were hidden but known to the gang members meaning a gang member could arm himself if needed but if he was walking the streets he didn't have to carry weapons which might subject him to arrest. The report noted a couple kids were shot after they found these stashed weapons and played with them. The head of the OCTF said that their intelligence had indicated such weapon stashes and they were asking citizens in those areas to report any firearms they saw or came across
     
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    statists tend to worship government and resent any suggestion that government can be limited by the constitution its why statists are so hostile to the concept of absolute rights and pretend, for example, that the commerce clause allows congress almost unlimited powers
     
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    Very common all over thug land now. Kids are used as mobile holsters, with minimal consequences if any if caught. Besides it's good training for them as they become older. Interesingly the thug rats are developing a manual of arms that is effective within the inner city environment.
     
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    None of which were ever prosecuted or convicted, meaning they were left free to procure firearms from untraceable sources. Thus meaning nothing beneficial came about of such. Therefore the number of denied sales means nothing in the real world.

    Off topic and irrelevant.
     
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    true, and when I note that 80% of the homicides caused by gunshot involve people who cannot legally own firearms due to a felony record, I explain that its even higher because many of those without felony records who murder are young adults who have yet to get an adult felony record but are engaged in felonious activity: mainly drug trafficking and supporting criminal activity
     
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    If you want to play this game, I have to be here to play it.

    We already have a crime that is committed and a prosecutor already has a primary locked
    to a table and is not playing the what he can get from the primary and play it off with what
    he is going to give up to give reliable testimony.

    I am a one step at a time kind of guy.
     
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