FBI challenges accuracy of GOP’s surveillance memo

Except the surveillance on Page started before he was even part of the Trump team. Hell, years before Trump even announced he was running. And was conducted with a warrant to the basis of the fact that Page was unwittingly in contact with Russian intelligence. So why are you trying to discredit that before learning what it contains? Since, you know, you just got through saying that sort of approach is bad and all.

 

The old FBI under Hoover was completely involved in politics. The Nation magazine was writing about it starting in 1931, and you can buy a book entitled Surveillance Nation, edited by Richard Kreitner, published in 2014. All they earned in those days was scandal and disrepute.

The New FBI is not much better, shooting pregnant women and children in Ruby Ridge, setting the rich man John DeLorean in a cocaine deal, and setting up many dozens of poor suckers in their Global War On Terror.

He who places great trust in known liars is not acting in a rational manner.

 

Mueller's investigation is built on sand. the entire Russian collusion narrative is a lie.

 

There you go again, trying to discredit something without even knowing its contents. Also, you might want to start preparing excuses for why four members of the Trump team have now been proven to have met with Russians for the explicit purpose of getting dirt on Clinton. Kinda hard to claim there's nothing there when, at the absolute very least, it has been undeniably proven they were attempting to do exactly what they've been accused of doing.

 

Wow... I love that last statement, but for different reasons than you posted it.... Is that yours? I googled it and it came back with Nietsche, although not that exact line...

You should hang on to that one..... it's good!

 

The left is on a high horse claiming those critical of FBI corruption are somehow unAmerican while ignoring all the times the FBI has been shot down in court for wrongdoing.

 

The alt-left and the swamp creatures are scared schiffless about the memo being released. Why?

 

Fair enough. We need to run this to ground.

As to Wray. The FBI statement isn't attributed, it's unsigned, a bureau statement. As a 'bureau' position I understand the statement, it's boilerplate and doesn't deny the facts it just expresses the bureau's / bureaucracy desire for restraint or inaction over action. I don't doubt Wray approved the release of the statement.

What's a head scratcher is how the statement was released and reported. Interestingly the FBI 'sources' quoted initially said "the facts were in question", "the memo misrepresents the facts", "the memo makes false representations of the facts", but the statement actually released two full hours after initial reports surfaced made no such claims. The released statement just suggested the report was incomplete not inaccurate. That's a huge difference. Was the staged release of the statement an internal 'leak test?'

Time will tell.

 

I must have picked it up sometime in the 60s when I read Nietzsche.

Much common sense to it, don't you think?

 

If it's not built on sand, why are you and your fellow travelers so terrified about the content of the FISA memo?

Too, the FBI is full of cops. commies hate cops. commies have marched and openly chanted their desire for dead cops...commies are actually complicit in the politically based executions of at least 12 police officers in the past few years. commies should be THRILLED to see a memo that uncovers systemic police corruption at the highest levels. but they're not. they're not because this memo summarizes the systemic corruption within their Messiah, Barack "Constitutional Scholar" Obama's banana republic administration.

 

100% common sense... Don't sue me if I use it in other threads.... you aren't a distant relative of Freddie, are you??

 

I've suggested releasing both memos, and a full statement of response from the FBI. But you keep dodging the hypocritical position you are putting forward on this subject. You want to discredit something before you've read it . . . but if anyone else does the exact same thing they are being terrible.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you want to kvetch about commies. Not even the right forest.

 

Thank you for proving my point.

 

They're just lazy. Over and over I've linked the 2016 FISC Order and Opinion that outlines the abuses, misrepresentations and stunningly sloppy and cavalier behavior of the FBI and DOJ concerning 702 warrants and illegal collection of upstream data.

The court found abuses in 702 applications and the Court's Order and Opinion was, in effect and intent, a very public 'shot across the bow of the IC.' The NSA took the rebuke and judicial warning seriously. The NSA ordered an internal review of 702 requests and uses where it found abuses so common that it halted the entire process while it made corrections.

What's become apparent is that the FBI and DOJ continued 'business as usual' abuses even after both the NSA and the FISA Court warned of the illegal behavior. The DoJ inspector general and the NSA (DoD) inspector general began investigations to collect and preserve evidence. Their reports are damning and it's why we are were we are today.

The order is here: https://www.intelligence.gov/ic-on-the-record-database/results/238

Here's a sanitized summary of the 2016 Order and links to all other pertinent information.

https://www.intelligence.gov/ic-on-...02-certifications-and-other-related-documents

RELEASE OF THE FISC OPINION APPROVING THE 2016 SECTION 702 CERTIFICATIONS AND OTHER RELATED DOCUMENTS
Today the ODNI, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is releasin


After submitting its 2016 Certifications in September 2016, the Department of Justice and ODNI learned, in October 2016, about additional information related to previously reported compliance incidents and reported that additional information to the FISC. The NSA also self-reported the information to oversight bodies, as required by law. These compliance incidents related to the NSA’s inadvertent use of U.S. person identifiers to query NSA’s “upstream” Internet collection acquired pursuant to Section 702.

Pursuant to statutory requirements, the FISC was required to complete its review of the 2016 Certifications within 30 days of submission. See 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(i)(1)(B). Thus, the FISC had until October 26, 2016, to issue an order concerning the 2016 Certifications. However, after the October 2016 report to the FISC regarding improper queries, the FISC twice extended its time to consider the 2016 Certifications – first until January 31, 2017, and then until April 28, 2017 – in order to receive additional information about the compliance incidents and the Government’s plan to address them. See April 2017 Opinion at 3-4. The previous year’s certifications remained in effect during these extension periods.

During the extension periods, NSA undertook a broad review of its Section 702 program. Historically, NSA has been authorized to acquire communications to, from, or “about” a Section 702 target (i.e., communications that contain a reference to a Section 702-tasked selector) through its upstream Internet collection. After considerable evaluation of the program and available technology, NSA determined that it would no longer collect communications “about” a target (seeNSA’s April 28, 2017, public statement NSA Stops Certain Section 702 “Upstream” Activities

 

So when's trump firing Wray? His own appointment btw...as is rosenstein

 

Why Would Trump need to fire Wray.....as soon as Wray seen the memo. He got rid of McCabe, then went Mute.

Again if Rosenstein extended a FISA warrant and didn't take it to the FISA court. By Law Rosenstein would need to be fired.

Of course they could give up Rosenstein to Civil Rights groups and let them destroy him.

 

We'll see. It's funny how investigations work, huh? how all sorts of things get discovered? I'm thinking that about right now, more than a few Democrats are wishing they'd never attempted to bring down this administration.

 

Went mute? You didn't see the statement the FBI put out yesterday about the memo?

 

Yes I seen the statement.....but they forgot to mention that 2 Senior Officials reviewed the Memo. One from Counter Intel and one from Judicial.

I wonder why their release didn't have their statement about there are no inaccuracies.

Also, I noticed they didn't mention anything about the new Texts from the lovers.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ught-to-get-around-rule-to-keep-texts.525172/

 

Ah yes the unnamed sources who reviewed it lol
Meanwhile the named sources say it's crap

 

Yeah the same two, who the FBI wouldn't give out their names anyways. Of course they would play it the same way if something was discovered about Trump. Which then you would be cheerleading that on. See how that works.

 

The administration is bringing itself down by lying to the American people and deceiving them, trying to cover up and lie about secret meetings with Russia and trying to undermine sanctions. Pushing their white America agenda and soft stance on sexual abuse with the sexual predator in chief at the reigns. Depraved and deprorable.

ANOTHER shooting at a middle school today while the war on Mexicans rages on despite their false narrative about hostile immigrants destroying the country from the outside while we gun each other down from the inside in the name of freedom...

Republicans have no values, no principles, no morals, no empathy, and zero credibility.

 

What was the predicate crime?

 

And you'd be calling fake news lol

 

Russian meddling