Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

Discussion in 'Science' started by DarkDaimon, Dec 14, 2018.

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If extra-terrestrials were to visit Earth, they would be...

  1. vicious, colonizing warmongers, after our resources.

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  2. enlightened, peaceful explorers, wanting to learn from us.

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  3. opportunistic capitalists, trying to expand their markets.

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  4. fanatic, religious missionaries, out to convert the galaxy.

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  5. Other

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    to create space ships capable of traveling such distance takes much cooperation, so I would assume they would just be curious.. unless they were looking for a new home

    some say they planted life on this planet, they could just be coming to see how their garden has grown
     
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  2. Moi621

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    Be one of the first, PAH-Leeze







    Nuc 'em First
    Then ask questions
    Ready for alien microbes too?



    Moi :oldman:





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  3. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I responded to this post with another post earlier, but have a question I'd like to pose for anybody interested. I believe another strong evidence for ETs being here now are the seasonal crop circles that appear, usually overnight, around the world, but especially in England. I'd like hearing from some forum members on their thoughts about this. Thanks.
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    I think they're beautiful!

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/crop-circles-the-art-of-the-hoax-2524283/

    However, they do represent damage that the culprit should have to pay for, both in terms of the actual damage and the fact of commiting the act.
     
  5. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    The subject of UFOs is complicated and you certainly can't take popular beliefs as a guide. You can't judge the subject of UFOs by internet posts any more than you can judge physics by internet posts. If you want good information you have to either stick with rigorous sources, or do your own homework. I spent a good part of my free time researching this subject for about twenty years. In fact I read every declassified military UFO document you could access from the NSA, CIA, FBI, USAF, US Navy, DOD, and even going back into WWII and original Foo Fighter reports - all directly from government archives at .gov sites. There were over 2000 reports.

    On top of that I know pretty much every major case forwards and backwards. And there are plenty of very serious people.

    What you do is look for excuses to trivialize the subject while pretending to be objective.
     
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    I doubt if you are really that naive. It's all about money, power, greed, and control. Look at the size of the budget diverted into black projects. There are multitudes of levels of secrecy higher than what is allowed for POTUS. Eisenhower was right; the deep state has become a malignant monster.
     
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    No they wouldn't, because the power structure is determined to keep it under wraps. They also don't want to rock the religious boat.

    We are already starting to ignore our own familiar physics, now that quantum physics is becoming better understood by more of the public. Consider entanglement, a physical relationship expressed at FTL speed across unlimited distance. Utilization of zero point energy can account for defeat of mass/inertia.
     
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    I doubt any aliens would show up
    But if they found us before we found them,
    They would likely be more advanced than us

    They might not be based on similar chemistry as us, and so might not be envious of our planet

    I suspect they would be curious about other life forms as we seem to be

    But, just because they might not be intentionally evil to our interests, they might have unintentional negative impacts. But then again, it seems more likely that we might self generate severe negative consequences all on our own without an alien invasion
     
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    The odds of INTELLIGENT life in this galaxy is so small, WE shouldn't even exist. As I said before, evolution doesn't do overkill and the odds of a Mitochondria equivalent is quite small.
     
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    I would guess that somewhere amongst the hundreds of billions of stars and Trillions of planets/Moons, that in the Google of reactions between the very many organic chemical combinations over the Trillions of billions of minutes and hours in this enormous Galaxy, something has done as we did....we aint all that special.

    By the way:
    https://sociable.co/technology/nasa-scientists-discover-second-genesis-on-earth/

    We aren't even alone right here.
     
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    Based on what logic?
     
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    Evolution doesn't do overkill.
     
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    That isn't an argument. That is just wild speculation.

    How do you quantify the odds of intelligent life in this galaxy?
     
  14. tecoyah

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    Evolution IS overkill....thus the fittest that survive.
     
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    Fittest being whoever can have the most sex without starving 1st. A self-replicating virus that can directly absorb ambient nutrients and doesn't require a host would be the most 'fit' thing in the universe. More complexity requires more food, a more complex reproductive system and more precise environments, all of which introduce points of failure that make life less likely to survive. The only reason we have complex life is because 500M years ago something had indigestion.
     
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    You just described overkill.
     
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    I know full well that there are serious people who believe they saw a UFO and filed a report. I'm sure they believed they saw something worth reporting.

    Until it is actually identified it is still a UFO report.

    There are also total hoaxes such as the one that made it to this thread and to which I responded.
     
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    I don't believe in this "power structure" thing. We're crap at keeping secrets like that. Plus, we're one of about 150 countries over which we have no power, many of which are equals in technology.

    Also, quantum physics is extending our model, providing additional tools, but it is not a replacement. Nobody in science is ignoring Einstein.
     
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    Stuff we don't understand can look like long odds - or even magic attributable only to the gods.

    Not long ago we couldn't even detect planets outside our solar system, let alone outside our galaxy. We didn't believe there was any significant amount of water in our solar system other than on Earth!! And, there are numerous unanswered questions that impact life - like what planets are made of, how life started, etc.

    Intelligent life developed one place we know of, and there are 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of billions of other places.

    People concocted things like the Drake equation as if those were the only parameters and they were understood.
     
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    It seems to me a mistake to believe intelligence must be what we humans use. Dolphins and Elephants are quite intelligent in ways unlike ourselves and E.T. will be even more so. The "Human Centric" mindset has been an issue from the day we started deep thought For all we know energies have intellect beyond our senses.
     
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    I'd love to. :)
     
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    The crop circles done by ETs don't damage the crop. In fact, studies have been done that prove it increases the yield by a large percentage for not only the year of the crop circle, but for several years thereafter. So, the farmer actually loses nothing of monetary value.
     
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    It makes me personally uncomfortable to admit it, but I think you are entirely correct. We have a few ultra-selfish individuals running this sham, with powers exceeding that of the President & Congress & the Supreme Court combined, and they're NOT doing it for the best interest of the U.S. or the world in general, but for themselves.
     
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    An alien civilization that has interstellar-travel-level technology has NOTHING to fear from human civilization.

     
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    Agreed. And, the very fact that they've been around for centuries if not millennia, and they've never taken over the planet, is a powerful demonstration that they are friendly toward humanity.
     

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