Steven Greer is a nut who thinks he used "remote viewing" to study the alien spaceships inside inside secret government facilities. Steven Greer is the personification of a UFO conference carnie, and he's made a tidy living off UFO hucksterism for over 30 years and running. He's being involved with the "disclosure project" that has managed to disclosed basically nothing of any substance in their 20+ years of trying. I heard Joe Rogan interview Greer once, and Greer is your basic UFO kook who does very well with his fellow nutters in the UFO echo chambers, but he basically crumbled when Joe applied the slightest bit of skeptical pressure, and held his feet to the fire of what would constitute real scientific inquiry.
Our government has a policy of denial coupled with ridiculing individuals who openly admit ET contact. That policy was set into place in the late 1940s under the Truman administration, and is still in effect, though there's evidence of it possibly softening recently--hopefully. Actually, there's more known about ETs than most people realize, but we have to be content with evidence & personal accounts for now rather than concrete confirmation.
Greer is self-ridiculing. https://siriusdisclosure.com/event/6-nights-under-the-stars-with-dr-greer-az-may-26-june-1-2019/ No. No I do NOT have to be satisfied with the personal accounts of such people.
Dr Greer is nothing like what your post describes. But if you want to believe he's a huckster, that's your right. I've watched hours & hours of Dr Greer on Youtube, & while there are areas I disagree with him, I still have a high respect for him & his life's work. History is filled with examples of individuals responsible for moving humanity forward in some significant way, being harassed, ridiculed & ostracized for their departure from the status quo. I admire Greer for doing what he's doing.
You are right, you don't. But there are some very interesting videos of Dr Greer with such a group outing on his website, showing several UFO craft appearing after he does his thing calling them in. I believe these were filmed along a Florida beach, and the UFOs appear out over the water several miles away, but he manages to record them on video with a special night camera. It's interesting.
And how would they know that? It isn't a subject easily studied by science because the events can't be reproduced or tested. But there are plenty of scientists in the field; and many notable scientists. And there have been cases that produce physical evidence. Your comments are all rooted in ignorance. What evidence do you expect. There are plenty of photos and videos. But it is impossible to prove a photo or video hasn't been faked. The fact is, short of ET landing at MIT, or a body, there is very little evidence science would accept. When a subject isn't something easily studied by science, science cannot be the definitive word. And if you had read what I posted earlier, you would see that your arguments are moot.
According to "science" ball lightning and earthquake lights are real. And that conclusion was based on nothing but anecdotes a A FEW fuzzy photos, nothing more. Here is your scientific "proof" of ball lightning. This is what put most scientists over the edge - a fuzzy photo and one credible witness.
Ball lightning, blue and red sprites, earthquake lights, etc... all were anecdotal at one time, and all were proven to be what? That's right, natural, terrestrial phenomena. I'm going to look at the ET/UFO kerfuffle, and assume the same, until you "believers" prove otherwise. Sorry, UFO cultists, the burden of proof is on you. Good luck lifting that pantload.
I don't even need an argument. You admit that there's no proof that would meet even basic scientific standards of evidence, so there's nothing to argue. Argument start when you bring something to the table. Until then, this is basically just pointless discussion, and cheap entertainment, just as all the UFOery has always been. Pointless discussion, and cheap entertainment.
The problem with your statement is that it is based exclusively on HUMAN behaviors. We have no examples of ET behaviors to draw from, except that if you accept that ETs have been around Earth for millennia, & have never shown any inclination whatsoever to "take over" the Earth or any portion of Earth from humans, then they don't behave like humans in that way.
My wife often likes to quote her father, saying: " Life is what the Universe if for." I agree. I suspect we'll eventually find that life will exist in every nook & cranny out there capable of supporting it. Some form of life will be common as we learn to explore the stars. Intelligent life will be less common, but not uncommon. And, as I've already said before, ETs are already here, & have been for a very long time.
You are free to believe that ET is benevolent, based on no facts whatsoever. The fact remains that life in general is based on survival which usually means taking what is needed for that survival by force.
I've watched the series of scientific & medical professionals study the Nazca Mummies, with all agreeing they were legitimate discoveries & non-human life forms. Their DNA shared almost nothing in common with human DNA. How does anyone fake DNA? And, for that matter, how does anyone fake C14 dating? I believe there were 5 mummies found. Why would anyone go to the time, trouble & expense of making five of them when one would have been enough to get the world's attention? I don't accept your conclusion that the Nazca Mummies are fake. I think they are new entries in a growing list of physical remains of ETs found in S America, & mostly in Peru. Instead of pretending they are fake, why aren't we studying them & that location to see what connections we can find to explain their being there? It is unfortunate, but apparently a fact of life, that whenever anyone discovers something totally new that doesn't fit into the normal dogmas of present day science, the discoveries & those who discovered them are treated with contempt & disdain. It is very common for the detractors to make up lies to denounce the findings & the founders, offering nothing whatsoever in the way of evidence to counter the discovery. That's the case here. We should be excited to study these marvelous finds to find out everything we can about them, for future reference when the ETs finally do reveal themselves publicly.
It was true, historically, that survival required taking what was needed by force at times. In today's global, interdependent world, that's no longer required. We have agreements that allow us to trade necessities across national boundaries peacefully, and we have available everything needed for survival plus more. There's really no need for for "taking by force" anything at all. But our patterns of behavior & thinking are stuck in the past. We need to update them. We've reached a point in human development where nothing is gained or won thru war. The only people who win anything with war are the weapons & munitions manufacturers. Nobody else wins anything. Wars don't resolve political issues for any length of time, but often create more. Many people's lives are disrupted or destroyed or ended by the violence, for no measurable gain. For America, no war since WWII has accomplished anything of value that couldn't have been accomplished better thru peaceful diplomacy & negotiations. Warfare is keeping us welded to a past that we should be forever abandoning behind us.
But our own experience with war is a bad analogy. You're talking about creatures of the same species killing each other on the same planet. So the most obvious difference is that ET are not human; hell, they could eradicate the entire planet and not even consider it war (like when we practice pest control). And you talk about what has been gained by our wars, who's to say that ETs couldn't gain more? After all, they would have the entire Earth to gain, while their planet would be totally safe.
The powerful reason I don't think they'll do that, is the fact that they've been around Earth for millennia, arriving possibly during the last ice age or before, at a time when the Earth would have been easy for the taking if that was their goal. It makes no sense they would hang around until humans became advanced enough to threaten them militarily before they took over. No, they don't want to take over. They want to help us mature sufficiently so that they can invite us to join them in the interstellar community & expand our horizons to include new worlds instead of new nation states.
LOL Talk about living in a fantasy world. We still live in a world where taking by force is the norm. If it were not you would not give the government a huge percentage of everything you earn. You would not comply with laws passed in violation of your Constitutional recognized natural rights. Millions of people are murdered every year by military's world wide including our own in order to exploit the natural resources contained within their countries. If you think we live in a civilized free world, or country for that matter you are as naive as a small child. You are simply a slave with a better life than most.
I don't think they ever played a part in our World. If they exist they were created by a higher entity the same one, God, that created us. God is in control of the Universe that he created. Not to say if that other Civilizations don't exist. But if they do I doubt they are bent on destroying us. Just as if we were able to visit their planet, we would not attack them unless they first attacked us. This is fantasy for sure. That is why people have faith in God. There is simply no other scientific proof of anything else. Science may have some proof and theory of the creation of the Universe, our Solar System and Earth. But they have no proof of even a good theory of how it all came to being. Or even how God came to be. They don't have the answers we all wonder about.
We certainly have theories about how the universe came to be. And science doesn't address the notion of a god. There isn't even any modern anecdotal evidence for any gods. Which do you think is more likely, visiting aliens, or a god?
They do it by not letting things get freely "advertised," IAW not loosely publicized. They control the media. Even movies are subject to pentagon oversight before release. News from other countries is reported thru our media. He was brilliant, but he balked at entanglement.
We're free to look at the media from ALL countries. It's not necessary to read US media only. In fact, I'd strongly suggest watching what reporters in other countries are saying, as our own media is creafted for approval by those here - for business reasons. Einstein's view of entanglement doesn't invalidate the huge and lasting value of the physics that he brought us.
Some sources indicate that there are several different races of aliens with a history of involvement with this planet, and a few of those races have a very unfavorable view of humanity. An attempt to seize control by one of them is said to have been repulsed by humanity long ago. The rest seem amicable enough, as insisted by Stephen Greer, but the excavation contractor who lost some fingers when he got into a gunfight with aliens at one of our facilities provided a different picture of things.
Why would spacefaring beings want to take us over? According to all the latest data planets are anything but rare and given that, planets with no life at all are probably very abundant so it's certainly not resources. One thing such primitives as ourselves could give Space Travelers would be odd and useful ways of thinking, and the only way to get these would be to live among us and observe them, which would explain why ET's seem to do just that a lot
I guess my first question would be who started that gunfight? I suspect the humans did. If so, the aliens were simply defending themselves, & not at fault. I recommend finding out those details before passing judgment.
