Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Marriage in the US is also a RELIGIOUS institution. What any law has to say on the matter is completely irrelevant to any religious definition of marriage.

 

No....you did not say that. All along I have said call same sex unions by another name. They do not imitate marriage. Words mean things. Do not confuse the children. That's what it's all about.

 

no it isn't. If it's not a legal marriage recognized by the state, it's not a marriage. It's a religious CEREMONY.

not in a secular country where marriage is a legal, not a religious, institution. Like this country.

 

They aren't imitating anything. Same sex marriages and opposite sex marriages are identical.

 

That is an illusion you and other certain behavioral oriented people only wish to retain.

 

It's actually a demonstrable fact of reality. Same sex couples and opposite sex couples are identically married. It's why you can't point out how they are different. Where as I can point out how they are legally identical.

 

That effort is what led to the law being changed, otherwise the law wouldn't've been changed.

 

Well sure, but you're not saying that I had anything to do with that effort are you?

 

Well you acknowledge that they are identical under law, right?

 

Civil unions were originally what were being fought for in numerous states but the religious right intervened and banned them as well as any institution that even looks like marriage. So you want a “do over”?

They absolutely do, in this case marriage is a civil document signed by two consenting adults to make them related.

Zero children are confused, they understand this topic perfectly. Do you really believe it would confuse a child if they are told two women can marry just like two men or a man and a women can?

 

Correct, it's not a LEGAL marriage. And if it's not a RELIGIOUS marriage recognised by the church, it's not RELIGIOUS marriage. It is however, LEGAL marriage! When are you going to learn that there are TWO categories of marriage! Legal and religious!

It's a religious MARRIAGE!

 

Are you standing up for what marriage actually is or are you accepting the redefinition of the term?

 

Don't you have no choice but to acknowledge that 'marriage' is a legal term as well as a religious one?

 

Yes, I do.

 

I am standing up for what marriage actually is while at the same time accepting the LEGAL redefinition of the term.

 

As I explained earlier... the law is not always true and just. You may see them as identical but I never will.

 

You can do that.

 

no. there is only marriage, which is a legal institution. You are talking about a religious ceremony.

Only if it's legal. If it isn't, its a ceremony.

 

what you don't seem to understand is that how you "see" things has no relevance to how things actually are.

 

& what you don't understand that "government" does not always dictate what is true and just.

 

nobody is talking about "true and just". The topic is marriage. Marriage is a legal institution. Religion has no relevance to that. The simple facts remain the same. Same sex couples can and do marry. Their marriage is identical to an opposite sex marriage. This is reality.

 

Fair enough. Under that fact, you aren't part of the effort.

Personally, I stand up for what marriage actually is, and while I do understand that there has been an unconstitutional legal redefinition of the term, I simply refuse to recognize a homosexual union in the same manner as a heterosexual union. Same if gun control legislation were to unconstitutionally pass on a federal level. I simply would not recognize those unconstitutional laws either.

 

which court ruled it unconstitutional? I can show you the highest court in the land ruled bans on same sex marriage is unconstitutional, as it violates the 14th amendment.

and that's fine. It has no bearing on reality however. Same sex couples can, have and do marry. Their marriage is identical to an opposite sex couples.

you can't pick and choose which laws to obey. If you feel something is unconstitutional, take it to court. But same sex marriage is settled law. You would need an amendment to change that.

 

Already addressed numerous times before.

Already addressed numerous times.

Sure I can. Why do you think people get fined/arrested/jailed, etc.? Everybody constantly picks and chooses which laws to obey. How do you think sanctuary cities for illegals came about? What about the current sanctuary localities in Virginia for 2nd Amendment supporters? In short, it's called "free will".

Already addressed numerous times.

 

correct. your argument was addressed and refuted many times.

correct. your argument was addressed and refuted many times.

you understand that this shows that you can't actually ignore laws you don't agree with right? lol

No law is ignored by sanctuary cities/states. States can not be forced to use state funds/resources to enforce federal law.

There are no current sanctuary localities in VA, as none of the proposed legislation has been passed.

correct. your argument was addressed and refuted many times.

The facts remain the same. Same sex couples can and do marry. Their marriage is identical to an opposite sex marriage. Bans on same sex marriage violated the 14th amendment of the constitution, which is why they no longer exist. You can not show any of this to be untrue.