Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by learis, Oct 13, 2015.

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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  4. Other

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Same sex couples do not produce children.....sure, they pretend to. Relations between same sex are not the same period. You have to diminish marriage between a man and a women to include same sex couples. You, like much of our culture, are "twisted". There are many of us though that will work in one way or the other to "untwist" what you have done.
     
  2. rahl

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    and since the ability or intention to procreate is not and has never been a requirement for marriage, that is irrelevant.

    Same sex marriage and opposite sex marriage is identical. This is reality.

    Same sex couples marrying has exactly zero effect on opposite sex couples marrying.


    You are certainly free to bang your head against the wall till you pass out. Same sex couples will go right on marrying as you do. You and other bigots like you are the extreme minority, and dying off on a daily basis.
     
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    How so? In detail please.

    If a child was told the sky was actually violet (it is) their whole life — they would not be confused if you told them the sky was violet.
    They would be confused if someone came behind and said it is actually blue or red.

    They will only be confused if people like yourself insist, wrongly, that same sex couples cannot marry.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I see.....we are bigots because we find your lifestyle utterly disgusting (and it is)
     
  5. rahl

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    My lifestyle?

    but yea, you are a bigot for actively trying to prevent same sex couples from marriage.

    also, nobody cares what you find disgusting. If you don’t like a particular thing, then don’t do it. You have no business telling someone else that they can’t.
     
  6. chris155au

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    Unconstitutional how?
     
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    Which is just as ridiculous and utterly nonsensical as me saying: there is only marriage, which is a RELIGIOUS institution. You are talking about a SECULAR ceremony. Others in your camp such as @cd8ed would utterly disagree with you.

    Again, when are you going to learn that there are TWO categories of marriage! Legal and religious! (And of course it can often be a combination of the two in a religious context, where the two people are FIRST declared as married under God, before signing the legal documents, either as part of the ceremony or some time after.)
     
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    It's what you do too, unless you're in denial of the legal definition of marriage.
     
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    I didn't just say "identical", I said identical UNDER LAW, which sits outside of our belief. There's no point in denying reality man.
     
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    I wouldn't think of doing what you suggest. It turns my stomach. I don't mind the fact that you do it. You are free to do whatever you want in that way. Just don't call it what most view as sacred. We can definitely get along when you don't equate your behavior with "marriage".
     
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    We really don't seem that far off. I just won't concede the institution. You might like to eat steak but their might be others that like to eat poop. They might pass a law that says steak and poop are identical. When you go to a restaurant and the waiter comes up and says, "how would you like your poop cooked?" Are you going to tell him?.....Or are you going to walk out and never eat there again? Is that a place you are going to take your family and tell them to get used to the idea that poop and steak are identical? For some, it just might cause you to develop a disdain for steak, something you always loved and cherished. Maybe that example makes my point more clear.
     
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    Would you accept that they serve poop?
     
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    I would hope not in the same kitchen (the kitchen being the "culture"), but I would never eat there. I guess I would accept that they do but don't call it steak because my children might order steak and get poop instead. Especially when they are young, they might think about having a nice juicy steak but then that image of poop might enter their brain. Doesn't do much for the taste buds!
     
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    Would you accept that they call it poop?
     
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    There are several aspects to this. I do regard the "serenity prayer". That is Lord help me to accept the things I cannot change.....but give me the power to change the things I can" I will always go for the latter.
     
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    Okay, so you would accept it.
     
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    no it isn't. marriage is not a religious institution in the US, it is a legal one. If a marriage is not legally recognized, it does not exist. So, if a priest for the order of pink elephants wishes to marry a man and his german shepherd, it is nothing more than a ceremony as it has no legal weight.


    there isn't. there is only marriage. Some religious ceremonies confer marriage upon the participants, and some do not.
     
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    You keep saying my behavior. What are you referring to?

    Again, you can not like something all you want. Nobody can stop you. But no matter how much you disagree with it, same sex couples can and do marry. Their marriage is identical to an opposite sex couple. This is just reality.
     
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    Like poop and steak I guess.
     
  20. yabberefugee

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    Of course I can't over rule the law, so of course I accept the deviates made a law.....but I will work with whatever influence I have to return to the original definition.
     
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    I don't follow. It is a demonstrable legal fact, that same sex couples and opposite sex couples, are identically married. This is legal fact. I'm not sure what poop and steak have to do with that?
     
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    Easy....Steak vrs. poop ='s Marriage vrs. same sex unions. Viable comparison.
     
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    No, it could simply be explained to them that both answers are correct. The sky appears to be blue because of how our eyes work (reflected and absorbed light), but the true color of the sky is actually violet.

    They cannot... Marriage does not equal non-marriage. This is basic logic that even a child can understand.
     
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    The federal government has no power to legislate about marriage. Article I Section VIII, and Amendment X.
     
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    You didn’t explain how children would be confused — if a child is told that marriage is two consenting adults from the first time they ask or are taught about what marriage is how would they be confused that a same sex couple can wed?

    You are simply — again — arguing that same sex marriage isn’t marriage when it is, legally. If anyone is confusing the children it is you.

    Change same sex marriage to interracial marriage, would children be confused if they learn that interracial marriage exists or if they are told that it doesn’t exist and then later find out it does?
     

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