What will right-wingers with no health insurance do now?

Oh... and you expect me to discuss with you your personal finances?

Read my sig! I only say what I have researched. And your personal situation is not one of those things. The fact that you say "would have been" means you didn't even sign up. So I don't know how you would know what your subsidies would be. Or you may not be telling the truth or you may just have a lousy insurance adviser. I have no idea... nor care to discuss it.

 

Thank you for responding to me, but I did want to correct one thing I don't think you quite understand: it does not take a "hefty income" to end up with a $1,000 premium under Obamacare. The "cliff" is at $50,000 - and anyone earning over that pays the full freight. It really is unaffordable for people in that range, especially since it really doesn't cover much if anything, and I believe that is why many people have opted out. (One of the biggest problems with Obamacare was that it prohibited catastrophic insurance for those over 30 and forced purchases of insurance at very high premiums and deductibles.)

 

No one said there was no threat but you. And you were addressing the right, here at PF. Pathetic change of goal post. Plenty have people have said the threat was overblown but I know of no one who said there was no threat. What a dishonest tactic, just hackery.

 

Cool. I went right to Healthcare.Gov website, straight to the source, no middleman. Of course I did not sign up, not after that insane quote. You can accuse me of lying all you want, facts are facts. You are not the only one who does research and you obviously dont know as much about O care as you claim.

 

Prove it!

 

No! What I said and I repeat and I have proven is that the right wingnut media has minimized the thread.

As far as "overblow" the threat..... let's see your evidence now. You lost the bet that I wouldn't show you how they minimized it. Care to lose another one that you won't show who has "overblown" it?

 

Huh? It’s what the words in your own link say.

 

Wow! What state do you live in?

 

$50 K for an individual who doesn't have to care for a family is pretty a good income.

And I don't know what state you're in, but a policy with a $1000 premium, even without subsidies, is a very good policy. Definitely not Bronze in most states.

 

There was no "bet" do you put wheels on the goalpost? You claimed people were saying there was "no threat" (that means, none at all FYI).

 

Dude, you just linked a source proving yourself wrong. I don’t have to try to get one past you. You don’t know what you are talking about and can’t read apparently. Funny stuff. This is exactly how it’s decided who is tested where I live.

 

Florida, it's a worthless policy that amounts to insanely expensive, catastrophic coverage (here is the part where you blame the state Governor and continue pretending O care is great)....

 

No! Your words were "which is absolutely true". Show your evidence! Hannity saying it is not evidence.

 

Wrong! I cleared that up many posts ago. I said they were minimizing the threat.

 

It’s absolutely true that nothing in your article highlights where Hannity anyone claimed the left created the virus

 

Yeah! You have to go to a medical professional and take your temperature. And they put a stick up your nose. That's obvious. There is no self-testing or anything of the sort.

You're saying that's what you meant by it being "the same" as here? Technically it's true but... what nonsense!

We don't do that because we don't have the tests. We don't have the preparation and we don't have the ... well, we do have the resources. But this administration is thinking about whether to use them or not. You don't want to take money away from Trump's invisible wall to deal with a real emergency, you know...

 

You are full of it! I live in Florida. Unless you don't have a family and make over $50 K net after taxes, you get coverage for free. And it's NOT just "catastrophic". And if you are on your own and make 50K... man!... you're going to make me pay for your emergency care because you refuse to cough up less than $400 bucks?

This is what I mean.... It'snot just that right wingers don't understand obamacare. It's worse than that! They don't want to learn about it. And this is why they make the rest of us pay for their ignorance.

 

Maybe your State is to blame. My state is doing EXACTLY what South Korea is doing to determine who is tested and has been for weeks. We have tests sitting unused and unneeded. Face it, the idea of universal testing is a figment if your imagination. No healthcare professionals recommend it. Nobody is doing it. You are going on about things not true just like you accuse the Trump administration of doing. Nobody is surprised Mr. signature line. Not surprised one bit.

 

A $50K in a major East Coast city makes for a very tight budget. Figure a take-home pay of $3500 a month, and then another $1500 a month for a basic apartment. That leaves just $2000, fully HALF of which must go for insurance.

Also, a nearly $1000 premium IS a bronze plan for older adults (but still too young for Medicare). In my state, the silver plans started around $1400 a month - and the gold were $1800. The costs are just astronomical! Now if I were someone earning $50K, and $3500 take-home, that would mean that $1500 goes for rent, $1400 for a decent plan, leaving $600 a month for everything else - commuting costs, car repairs, groceries, utilities, household goods, etc.

I think it's important to look at the actual figures to understand why many people were unable to afford Obamacare (ironically named the AFFORDABLE Care Act), particularly since these expensive plans still require the customer to pay tons of medical expenses.

 

Yes, and that's the problem with Obamacare in a nutshell: It is essentially catastrophic coverage but priced as if it's "platinum" insurance. And that is why Obama prohibited people over age 30 from buying true (correctly priced) catastrophic care: he needed them to buy overpriced "regular" insurance that provided the same stripped-down coverage.

 

I made a claim and showed my evidence, you made a claim and refused to show evidence. That's how it always goes.

My case is made.

 

It wouldn't surprise me. Florida is completely dominated by Republlicans.

I already responded to this: Of course they aren't recommending it! Because we don't have the tests. But, in my opinion, if we are to ever get rid of this, we will need to have it. This is most definitely not the time to do it. We can't! But we will have to get there.

You make an accusation. Show what the hell you're accusing me of, and your evidence. No evasives!

At least I think you made an accusation. Because you don't even bother to say what the hell you're accusing me of. What is not true?

 

I live in one of the reddest states in the Union. You could say we are progressive. Thought ahead and built one of the best bio containment infectious disease facilities in the world.

We get the Ebola folks and got early C-19’s. Were one of the first to start trials on treatments for C-19.

But that isn’t true. We have more tests here than we need. And we still are deciding who gets them just like South Korea is.

The notion we have to have universal testing to “ever get rid of this” is absolutely absurd. Every epidemic, pandemic, etc. the world has ever known ended without universal testing. You are digging a big hole for yourself by continuing to make statements not based on facts.

See above. You’ve repeatedly claimed there aren’t enough tests. Post #121 is one example. I demonstrated the fact in some places there are too many tests available and health professionals don’t recommend more useless testing.

In post #181 you claim universal testing is working in South Korea, but I easily demonstrated they aren’t using universal testing. You even supplied a link that proved your premise of South Korea universally testing to be false.

Pretty much everything you’ve stated in this thread is outright incorrect or based on false premises. It’s strange that I prove you wrong, you double down on your incorrect statements, and you still can’t see why I’m accusing you of peddling untruths.

 

BS

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rt-by-shortage-testing-components/5013586002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/coronavirus-testing-challenges.html
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-testing-labs-delay-a3868ece-a2e5-4ed2-8822-44d20c73774d.html

This paragraph is utter nonsense. No epidemic has been as widespread as this one. And it is my opinion (as I have already said 2 or 3 times.... I don't remember) that the test will need to be made universally available even to people with no symptoms, before we can know if we're getting rid of it. My opinion may be correct, or it may be incorrect. But it most definitely is based on facts. The fact that it's so easy to transmit by a-symptomatic carriers is crucial.

And I have submitted evidence. And you have submitted .... crap! Only empty unsupported statements.

So even if you were right, and all reports were wrong, it makes no difference when submitted by somebody who pulls statements our of their ass.

 

Didn't you say that they were saying that the virus ITSELF was made up by liberals?