About the Holocaust

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    "God, I hate the Germans".
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/578610

    Check any source you like but Eisenhower's hatred for the Germans is infamous.

    Don't you think that if there had actually been a genocidal agenda on behalf of the Germans or homicidal gas chambers he would have mentioned it in his post war book?
     
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    Telling the truth about what happened in Europe in the WW2 era has nothing to do with hating Jews.
     
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    You post STOOPID KIDS still in primer school, lucky if they can spell their own names to prove what? They are stoopid kids? Try an applying ounce of deductive reasoning before posting such garbage.

    Hitler was baptized Catholic, and remained Christian for the duration of his life.


    Hitler wrote neither as an atheist, nor an agnostic, nor as a believer in a remote, rationalist divinity; instead he expressed his belief in one providential, active, deity:

    "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race...so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe...Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."[24]

    Elsewhere in Mein Kampf Hitler makes it clear that "creator of the universe" and "eternal Providence" are synonyms he uses for God. He also states his belief that the Aryan race was created by God, and that it would be a sin to dilute it through racial intermixing. Hitler writes:

    "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

    Refering to God as the "Lord of Creation" and the necessity of obeying "His" will, show Hitler's Christian thinking, according to Steigmann-Gall. Elsewhere in Mein Kampf, he says, Hitler makes references to Jesus. Other sources also show Hitler's Christian thinking, according to Steigmann-Gall. He notes an unpublished manuscript where Hitler sketched out his world-view, and he gives as an example a speech on April 1922 where Hitler said that Jesus was "the true God". Finally, Steigmann-Gall gives another example where in a private Nazi meeting Hitler again stated the centrality of Jesus' teachings to the Nazi movement.

    Hitler's religious beliefs demonstrated the anti-Semitic view that Jesus was an Aryan rather than a Jew, and saw himself as acting according to what he described as "true Christianity." Hitler write:


    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.


    Hitler writes of his Christian influence on his view of Jews:

    "His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity.
     
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    thats before they realized they were victims of massive lies to extort money from them!
     
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    Of course not. Eisenhower was leader of NATO and to have any chance of preventing Soviet expansion into central Europe NATO had to have West Germany as part of it.
     
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    Odd, eli the weasel didnt mention it either until late 70's early 80's and then only to assist in the propaganda the J-Ws were using to pass laws to suppress german rights of free thought.

    It did not matter that a Rabbi busted his chops, its only about winning politcal pity for the J-Ws in their very successful war against Christianity. Until now, the 'information age'. You cant hide the J-W atrocities in the shadows anymore.

    [​IMG]
     
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    To your signature line, why would the Jews want Germany destroyed?
     
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    There is no single answer to that question. Hitler beat them in WW1, therefore J-Ws couldnt get their hands on the now unlawfully stolen Palestinian lands to create the J-W state, they bocotted german goods through the world, they bribed the US to come into the war, then used their ally proxies to starve the germans, and divide german lands so they could never prosper again as a result of high inflation et al. Hitler foiled thei plan and brought the starving german country from poverty back to wealth in only 2 years a feat unknown to any government in history.


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    He was the son of Albert Salomon Anselm von Rothschild. He owned a spectacular palace in Vienna, the Palais Rothschild, that housed an exquisite art collection and antiques.

    After the Anschluß of Austria to Nazi Germany in March 1938, he was arrested at the airport at Aspern[3] and taken into custody by the Nazis because he was a distinguished member of the Jewish oligarchy. He was released only after lengthy negotiations between the family and the Nazis and upon payment of $21,000,000, believed to have been the largest ransom payment in history for any individual.[4]

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    Rothschild was the leader or the pack! Hitler demanded damages. You dont demand damages from the big cheeze J-W without repercussions and revenge.

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    Firstly, Eisenhower's extensive post war book, "Crusade in Europe" was published in 1948 concurrent with the US - Soviet-British-French etc Nuremberg lynchings and had nothing to do with NATO which was founded in April of 1949. This was at a time when both the Soviets and the Western Allies cooperated in blaming Germany for the Kaytn massacre and other fraudulent atrocities.
    West Germany, too, was not founded until 1949 which was also one year after Eisenhower's book.

    Secondly, if you are interested in a substantive discussion about the topic at hand, please respond to all the evidence I've presented that shows that the standard holocaust narrative is fraudulent rather than taking just one piece out of context.

    I only mentioned Eisenhower as just one of the 3 Allied leaders who wrote post WW2 books about their wartime experiences and went on to say that neither Churchill, de Gaulle nor Eisenhower felt that what has only recently been named THE Holocaust was horrific enough to include in their extensive WW2 post war books. None of them made any mention of homicidal gas chambers or a National Socialist genocidal agenda in these three lengthy accounts of the War in Europe

    Additionally, there was no mention of a systematic and industrial extermination plan or homicidal gas chambers in any of the intercepted German radio transmissions(1) nor did the Germans have a secret code or communicate telepathically.

    - Unlike Stalin, Churchill & Eisenhower, there is no written order from Hitler for the destruction of any group of people.(2)

    - If the Nazis had been determined to wipe out all of Europe's Jews, there would not have been any Jewish members of the Nazi Party and Jewish soldiers would not have comprised 150,000 members of Hitler's orders.

    - The original and most credible 1946 Red Cross report makes no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal agenda.

    - Countless truthful Holocaust survivors make no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal agenda.(3)

    - Thousands of freed camp inmates interviewed by both the Vatican and the Red Cross made no mention of homicidal gas chambers.(4)

    - The fraudulent Holocaust Industry-Lobby has been caught in numerous outright deceptions such as altered photos, forged documents and other attempts to fool gullible individuals.(5)

    - Countless phony "Holocaust survivors" have succeeded in deceiving millions of people with grotesque fictions about German sadism and mass murder.(6)


    Thanks,



    (1). “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3). "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


    (4) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
    EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED


    (5) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
    https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/


    EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED


    (6) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
     
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    How did Hitler beat the Jews in World War 1? He was a mere corporal with no policy making role during that conflict.
     
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    true, typo sorry. That should have read germany.
     
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    Nobody said that, but usually ...
    • Holocaust deniers don't tell the truth
    • Holocaust deniers are not real Christians
    • Holocaust deniers hate Jews
     
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    Then they should give up their Christianity altogether.
    Jesus was a Jew. At least 50% of the Bible is ancient Jewish scripture.

    They should convert to Islam. Same prophets, same God, but anti-Semitism included. And also nice theories why Christianity is a false religion.
     
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    Adult Christians and the Donald himself love Israel.


    Hitler didn't remain Christian. Hitler believed in God but rejects Christianity as a Jewish religion.
     
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    citation?
     
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    is that why the jews hate christians?
     
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    Jews hate Jesus because they think he was a liar.
     
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    So he modified to suit his tastes, most people modify their professed religion to suite their tastes, I dont see a problem with that.

    Theological and doctrinal aspects


    Adherents of positive Christianity argued that traditional Christianity emphasized the passive rather than the active aspects of Christ's life, stressing his miraculous birth, his suffering, his sacrifice on the cross and other-worldly redemption. They wanted to replace this doctrine with a "positive" emphasis on Christ as an active preacher, organizer and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day. At various points in the Nazi regime, attempts were made to replace conventional Christianity with its "positive" alternative.

    > Positive Christianity differed from mainstream Christianity in that positive Christianity:

    > Rejected the Jewish-written parts of the Bible (including the entire Old Testament)

    > Claimed "Aryanhood" and non-Jewishness for Christ

    > Promoted the political objective of national unity, to overcome confessional differences, to eliminate Catholicism, and unite Protestantism into a single unitary positive Christian church[10]

    > Also encouraged followers to support the creation of an Aryan Homeland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
     
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    It's a simple fact that telling the truth about what happened in Europe in the WW2 era has nothing to do with hating Jews.

    Please feel free to show where I or anyone else has denied that the recently named "Holocaust" happened.

    While you've chosen to slander the vast majority of people in the world(1), please show anyplace where I have:

    1. Not told the truth
    2. Have expressed unChristian views
    3. Have expressed any hatred of the Jewish people

    It has become increasingly clear that holocaustians cannot support the myths they've been led to believe, must resort to name calling and slander, desperately evade substantive debate, lack critical & independent thinking skills and are generally untruthful.

    Rather than continuing to talk about what "holocaust deniers" are or are not, please stick to the topic at hand by attempting to refute the facts I raised in my Post # 1664.





    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    It would seem that if you feel so strongly about what is possibly the world's most grotesque conspiracy theory you should be informed enough about it to explain why facts that expose it should be so heavily censored.

    After all, the Truth welcomes open debate and honest examination while a Lie can only survive under the darkness of repressive censorship laws.
     
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    "debate" assumes that there are two sides to an argument of more or less equal validity. Regarding the holocaust there is not. the evidence that the Nazis deliberately murdered roughly 6 million Jews and 5 million other people (aside from the depredations of the war) is so overwhelming that to put it on a plate next to what deniers trot out it is an insult.
     
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    In spite of what you've been led to believe by decades of residual Allied propaganda, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM, there is absolutely no evidence that Germany's National Socialists deliberately murdered roughly 11 million people.

    Piles of typhus ridden corpses, crematoria, confessions made under torture, Allied propaganda and hearsay are not evidence of a genocidal agenda for which thousands of innocent German POWs have been viciously lynched in Soviet style post War show trials(*)

    Unlike Stalin, Churchill and Eisenhower, there is not a single written order from Hitler for the extermination of anyone. (1)

    This is some of the real evidence that you haven't heard:
    The British cracked the German's Enigma code and were able to listen to all classified German radio transmissions.(2) Throughout all of those classified radio transmissions there was absolutely no mention of a genocidal agenda, homicidal gas chambers or other myths generated by the for-profit, world wide Holocaust Industry and the various Allied propaganda agencies.

    You are aware, I hope, that both sides used propaganda but only the Allied propaganda narrative exists today to perpetrate fallacies about German run homicidal gas chambers(3)

    The myth that about 6 million Jews were murdered is also simply a fraudulent product of Allied propaganda and the Holocaust Industry disinformation. However, it is completely debunked by the World Almanac which uses Jewish supplied statistics(4) that show that the world's Jewish population actually grew during the WW2 era.

    If the Nazis had been so thoroughly committed to destroying the Jewish community, how do you explain the fact that there were high ranking Jews in the Nazi Party(5) and about 150,000 Jews in Hitler's military(6)?
    Many of the Jews serving in Hitler's military rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest honors but we never hear of these Jews via MSM or the Holocaust Industry because it would destroy the holocaust myth for the fraud that it is.

    Since the holocaust legend is little more than a grossly overfunded conspiracy theory that is rejected by most of the world (7), I look forward to reading why you or anyone could believe unsupported myths that are neither physically nor mathematically possible.



    (*) "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."

    - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone



    (1)“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (2)“THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (3)“Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.



    (4) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


    (5) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (6) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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