Will you Please Wear A Mask Now

COVID IS a flu and is no worse than the common flu that goes around each year. You have fallen for the fear mongering...

 

Fear mongering. COVID isn't doing anything different to people than any other flu does...

 

LOL

You still think COVID is the flu? Never mind. Carry on with your ignorant bliss. No point arguing with those who refuse to educate themselves.

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain

 

Thinking for yourself instead of letting the health dept do it for you isn’t clueless. I’m confident if I got it, I would recover, maybe not even have to go to the ER. Aside from thinking freely as one should do in America and that confidence, the case is boosted yet again by the massive recoveries outnumbering the deaths that the numbers reflect. Three good reasons to go without a mask. Personal confidence backed by data and upholding a American moral.

The mask itself is not the issue. It’s the gross amount of gubernatorial overreach into a private citizens life that is the issue.

 

I’m confident even if I infected someone else, they too would recover.

 

Mantra 36b (unnecessary demand for credentials). Credentials do not change mathematics nor do they change mask/virus specifications.

What about friction, exactly? Masks are not useful for stopping viruses. You are trying to stop a mosquito with a fishing net...

Precisely. So why wear one? Oh, that's right... a symbol for compliance and submission to tyrannical government...

A virus is not bound to a droplet.

What about friction? You haven't substantiated your point about this...

Some of you were really sleeping or getting high that day in remedial mathematics...

 

Hypochondriacs due to media fear mongering is a subset of that.

The only clueless people are the people who think that wearing masks can stop or prevent the spread of a virus. The only people with a clue are the people who aren't wearing masks around everywhere they go.

You were both being hypochondriacs... Those masks were not preventing either of you from contracting the controlyavirus...

 

A degree doesn’t mean someone is more competent. Anyone can research infectious diseases on the internet, and come up with a good thesis.

I much rather have my droplets hit the ground from exhaling downward than get sweaty in a mask for eight full hours.

 

All masks will do is, at best, reduce spread. What is clueless is the attempt to liken them to an actual safety device like a seatbelt. A true apples to oranges comparison, but I see it here all the time.

It was going overboard to wear masks in the car. A car is well ventilated with AC, their friend would have removed all infected PPE prior to getting in the car. Made no sense to wear masks whatsoever.

 

The infection can nest itself in your hands.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

reducing the speed of infection is vital when hospitals, nursing facilities and doctors offices are being overwhelmed, when PPE is getting scarce, staffing levels are tenuous, texting is grossly inconsistent, turnover in staff is exponential, and treatments are coming down the line.

time for you to stop looking for excuses to do nothing, and do your part,

 

I've seen that seat belt analogy countless times as well, and have the same thoughts about it. It's a stupid comparison...

 

I'm not talking about cloth masks. Read again the scientific papers I've provided. The table I just published contains references to 29 scientific studies all done with coronaviruses (the first SARS, the MERS, and the current SARS-CoV-2) all showing a significant reduction in the relative risk of contagion for mask wearers, once exposed. They were done with N95 respirators and medical grade surgical masks. So your assertion that "Masks do not protect anyone from a virus" directly contradicts the findings by these researchers. You can keep your opinion. I'll stick with their findings (which are not just lab tests but come from real life exposure).

I know perfectly well that standard disposable masks (which I've been calling "the flimsy crap you find in your local pharmacy or grocery store") and cloth masks do not yield this level of protection. That's why I've posted EXTENSIVELY to help people find the legitimate N95s and FFP2 masks (respectively with 95% and 94% of effective filtration at 0.1 micron*, which is the approximate average size of the coronavirus - if you didn't know, 100 nanometers = 0.1 microns) and the legitimate ASTM level 1 masks (95% when used with seal enhancer) and ASTM levels 2 and 3 masks (98% when used with seal enhancer).

There are also N99s and N100s but these I assume are even harder to find, I think (I tried once but couldn't find any). And there are the KN95s that supposedly deliver 95% too but I doubt it; most are counterfeit or have poor seal.

But the NIOSH-certified N95s, the European Union-certified FFP2s, and the FDA-certified ASTMs levels 1, 2, and 3, when appropriately used and sealed, absolutely do protect against infection from even a small virus like the SARS-CoV-2, as the studies above referenced demonstrate.

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* don't be impressed by certain tests done at 0.3 microns thinking they don't apply to coronaviruses. As a matter of fact, due to the particular way in which particles this size (0.1 micron) bounce around and interact with other molecules in the air, they *are* efficiently trapped at the same rates by a 0.3 micron orifice, as particles 0.3 and up travel straight but 0.3 and down spin around and collide with the surfaces, so the 0.3 micron data also applies to 0.1 micron, surprisingly. The ASTM ones, though, were rated for 0.1 micron. If you doubt me, look up Brownian Motion.

 

This article shows the HUGE problem of fake certificates in boxes of counterfeit masks. This is from the European Union. Their standards which are good and reliable ones for their FFP2 respirators, are being extensively abused by fakers, mostly from China. The list of fake ones is long and impressive...

https://www.eu-esf.org/covid-19/4513-covid-19-suspicious-certificates-for-ppe

 

... but cloth masks (and non-medical disposable masks) are what people are actually wearing. They are not wearing N95 or surgical masks. Those don't stop viruses either btw...

That's not stopping nor preventing the spread of a virus.

People are not wearing those masks though... People are wearing cloth masks and non-medical disposable masks...

No it doesn't. Reduction is not protecting/stopping.

Meh. I'll stick with mathematics and mask/virus specifications...

... yet that's what people are wearing and claiming "protects" them and others...

You are correct about the approx. COVID specs (0.1 micron) ... You are wrong about the N95 specs though (those are actually rated for 0.3 micron). Those masks do not stop viruses either...

People don't use those masks though... and it's not feasible to wear those types of masks around everywhere... and guess what, the very moment that the "perfect seal" is broken (drinking/eating/scratching an itch/etc...), all filtration ability is rendered irrelevant. This whole mask thing is utterly stupid in every conceivable way...

See above.

 

AHHH... The 10-minute Google Diploma. Good job!!!

Psst - your droplets go up to 30 feet.

I guess you are just weak.

 

Reduction of risk - what do you prefer, no reduction, or some reduction? Give me the latter. You said masks don't "protect." That's your statement that I countered. Words like "stop" are yours, not mine. What I said is relative risk.

I never pretended that masks protect 100%. Their very classification indicates that: 95% is not 100%. If masks protected 100% no healthcare workers would ever catch an infectious disease from a patient at work. But if you got them all to work unmasked, you'd find a much HIGHER incidence of those infections. Read my table again and look at the "events" column. You'll see instances in which masked personnel got zero infections... while maskless personnel got dozens and dozens. Do you understand now what a reduction in relative risk means? Do you know what odds ration is? If you do, look at the rightest-most colon and look at the odds ration there, and tell me again that they don't protect.

You'll also see in my posting if you ever have the curiosity to browse what I posted about it, that I never said that people should take no precautions simply because they are wearing masks... but rather, should keep the other protections too because masks merely decrease the relative risk but don't eliminate it, obviously. But "decreasing the relative risk" is "protecting" my dear. Reduction is protection - at least to a certain degree. It's not "stopping" which is a word *you* used; don't put words in my mouth, please. When the subjects of the studies I quoted (not one, not two, but 29 of them) do NOT get the infection while maskless ones do, that's protection, regardless of what semantic twist you'll care to use.

You are dead wrong about the 0.3micron versus 0.1micron. Again, learn more about Brownian Movement and how the blown mesh inside N95s and ASTM masks work to trap 0.1micron viruses, and what PFE they achieve. Then look at numerous studies including the ones directly blowing 0.1micron viruses at them in mannequins and recovering the possibly penetrated viruses in cell culture from the other side. A recent measurement done at the Perelman School of Medicine of the University of Pennsylvania (simply the #3 medical school in the United States) found N95s with proper seal stopping 99.2% of virus particulates with a 0.1micron size, and ASTM levels 2 and 3 with enhanced seal (I can teach you how to achieve it; it's pretty simple; actually I did it above, in the two YouTube videos that I posted) stopping 98%, which, unsurprisingly, matches the FDA certification for PFE of... 98%.... at... brace for it... 0.1 micron!!! for healthcare workers. Why do you suppose the FDA insists on a PFE (particle filtration efficiency) measure at 0.1micron for medical grade masks??? Precisely to stop viruses! What else? Because for bacteria you don't need anything this tiny.

So you stick with math? One would expect that you'd know what Brownian Motion is, then. Oh, and you are NOT sticking with "mask/virus" specifications. *I* am.

Look, stop insisting with the "people are not wearing those masks." I know and I've posted precisely to teach them how to find them and use them properly, dammit! So your argument is lost when you're talking to me. It's precisely because I know what kinds of masks can effectively protect (without ever stopping it 100%; I never pretended that), that I'm insisting with this.

Do people wear they wrong? Absolutely. That's why I've been trying to teach them how to wear them right.

Should lay people wear N95s in the community? It depends. Not for long and not without a proper seal. But with a proper seal (which I can teach, too) and for specific tasks in riskier situations, yes. I'd still rather recommend for lay people in the community, ASTM certified surgical masks with a 3-rubber band seal enhancement (cheap, easy, widely available, simple to understand and use). And yes, of course, if people feel over-confident (therefore don't practice social distancing) or defeat the mask by improper use (touching it with dirty hands, messing with it, removing constantly to eat/drink/scratch, wearing it under the nose, over facial hair, etc.) they will be defeating the purpose, but that's where an educational campaign might make some leeway.

My posting here is not to enter a national debate of masks as a political tool and a banner of rebellion or whatever symbolic and hyper-politicized misguided notion people have, and say in a blanket statement if they "work" or "don't work."

My posting's intent is very simple: Do you want some reasonable protection (although not 100%) that actually does decrease the odds that you'll catch the virus if exposed? Yes? Then I can teach you how to achieve it, with the right kind of mask (including how to get them), the right seal enhancement, and the right precautions to keep them clean and sealed. But you don't? Then whatever, be my guest, expose yourself, and I won't waste my time with you (by the way, I don't believe in mandatory mask use, so, it's your decision), but don't use as justification wrong statements like "masks don't protect" and "0.3micron shows they don't work for viruses" because you are simply dead wrong in both assertions. Some masks do protect... and some masks do trap 0.1micron viruses.

 

Where the hell is that confidence coming from?

 

Modern cars, as you might not know, recycle the air with AC on, which means that the virus load in the car accumulates.
If I am by myself I do not wear a mask, but if I have a passenger who is not from my household, masks are mandatory and AC stays of and windows go down, even at 100 plus.
The virus in the US is out of control, because of people like you and will even screw up the country and its economy, for many more month
Thanks for you patriotic duty screwing up this Nation.

 

In the fact much more have, and continue to recover from Covid than die from it. By the millions.

 

AC is also more fuel efficient. On a hot day, AC is going to take the crown with or without the virus. I tell people before they enter my home or car to remove masks and gloves. Masks are only mandatory by those who refuse to think for themselves.

My only patriotic duties are getting the truth out about the recoveries the media won’t talk about, and to keep people thinking for themselves, not to have a authoritarian think for them. The only people screwing the nation over are the people that want to keep us locked down.

 

Keeping governors from treading on the lives of private citizens is not a excuse, you’re asking me to participate in something that is Anti-American. I will do my part by educating people on how many have recovered, something that will actually benefit people.

And again, you can’t spread something if you don’t have it to begin with. Easy concept really. If I’m not chilling, sneezing, coughing, having a runny nose, there’s no need to do anything different. How many people go to the hospital, thinking they got Covid, and end up being discharged that same day because they mistook it for influenza or the common cold? I’m sure more than what is being reported.

 

That’s an apples to oranges comparison for a meme. Trying to dignify a meme like this would be a waste of time.

Why does one think we enjoy Halloween masks? Because we don’t have public officials treading on our private lives, and treating us like children. Anyone not outraged by this authoritative control going on never cared about civil liberties in the first place. This is demonstrating exactly why governors are not supposed to have EO powers, for this exact abuse.

 

~ The authoritarian trip. Like what crazy Nadler did today on national television. Screaming at someone ( Republican ) to put their mask on while his own is around his chin. How far did his droplets go ? Refusing to allow a bathroom break.
Authority complex. Sickening .. .

 

This is not a binary choice. A hell of a lot who have left the hospital have yet to fully recover, and we have no clue the full long term damage in serious cases requiring hospital admittance where the result was not quite a death sentence. Maybe you just leave them with ARDS, permanent lung damage, fibrosis, other organ damage including the heart, the brain, the kidneys all of which are reported as part of your little covid package. Then there are the mental and emotional recovery including cases of PTSD, anxiety, depression secondary to the illness and the isolation in induced . I guess in your world, if they don't croak, its like a case of the sniffles. Some tissues and a cold compress and its all good.

Then we can talk about their financial recovery, maybe you will pitch in and help get them out of financial devastation you caused, when they are out of work with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills.

You have no clue what you are doing to others when you wonder around without that mask. Your 'confidence' is misplaced.