Just thinking what I would do if I was a young black.

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. That is the question.
     
  2. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you pretending not to know that "Scream racism" is the most effective method so far? Stick to the point now, please. You and I may be sick and tired of hearing it ... and we may even believe it only makes whites dislike them more ... but it is the most effective method so far. Admit it.
     
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  3. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is why there are so many who "run". No respect for the citizen but claiming "respect for authority" is the cause of tension. It is authority that has forfeited respect from the citizen, based upon the well-established principle of the importance of earning it.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People should take your common sense advice. Yet many don't and won't.

    Low IQ? IMO, yes.
     
  5. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Street smart doesn't require an IQ. Whatever gets the job done is the best response. Wasting a high IQ on a dumb police officer will only make the cop even angrier.
     
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    So... disarm the police?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Anyone that runs from cops is a fool. They don't call it "the long arm of the law" for no reason ya know.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you insist on calling him an ******* then you would have been better off to run for it because you just gave him grounds for arrest.
     
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    Yep. And that's what young black men are being taught by their parents all over the country. A sad conversation that a parent has to have with their child. Sure, everyone - regardless of color - should understand that calm, polite and cooperative is the best course of action. But young white men are not being pulled over for seemingly no reason and suspected of crime.
     
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    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    True. And, as long as people try to blame the victim and think that EVERY minority deserves what happens because they had to have "done something" to deserve harassment and police brutality, the problem cannot be addressed properly.
     
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    Do blacks have more to fear from white cops, or from each other?
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your posts are backed up by data and facts. When it comes to deaths at the hands of police and adjusted for whether or not the shooting was justified or an unjust murder, there is no racial bias. Roughly 1,000 civilians are killed at the hands of police per year out of 50,000,000 police encounters. Punishment to the cop for killing someone will be far more scrutinized, than non-lethal use of force, so the motivation for police not to kill people already exists.

    There was a study by Roland Fryer at Harvard in 2017 after several of the highly-publicized police killings of blacks and the Ferguson riots took place.

    While he found that police killings of citizens are not racially biased, there does exist racial bias against blacks and Hispanics in non-lethal use of force from non-harmful putting their hands on the civilian, to pushing the person against a wall or to the ground, to the very rare incidents of using their batons or tasing people. The more forceful the contact, the less the matter became about racial distinction.

    Seems the real issue is more about being harassed by police at about a 20% higher rate, rather than the very low odds of being killed, or even beaten, by police.

    After the Ferguson riots, many local police departments started issuing body cameras to officers and offering training in racial bias, so I expect the numbers of harassment of citizens has dropped since 2017 when Fryer published his study, at least in cities where these control attempts have been put in place over the last 5 years.

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    Full study available in link:

    https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/p...-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force
     
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    calling a police officer an *******, is not grounds for arrest.

    maybe it would be in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, but not in the USA.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wow, soo much support for police violence in this forum.

    kinda sad.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why do so many Conservatives think police violence is ok if someone curses a cop?

    i thought u guys were against authoritarianism and the police state.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    I do the same. That doesn't mean I like it, nor that it is a good method of policing. Profiling is fine for solving crimes, but it shouldn't be used in a fishing expedition.

    Take many multiples of your experiences, and then imagine getting pulled over for driving while white in your own white neighborhood, by black cops. I dunno, but I think the experience would be quite different.
     
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    Running is also grounds for an arrest in many states. Up grade your misdemeanor disorderly conduct to felony flight, makes perfect sense.
     
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    It's because nobody really cares that minorities are being unfairly targeted. If the situation was reversed (minority cops were unfairly stopping and bullying non-minorities), there would be an uproar of gargantuan proportions. People are also overlooking that it's not just cops. The whole system is designed to keep funneling certain groups of people into the prison system. Minorities are more likely to get a harsher sentence, fewer options for bail and fewer options for fair representation.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    running from a cop, if you have committed no crime, should NOT be a crime.

    its resisting arrest, at its worst. but only if there is evidence that you have committed another crime
     
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    its truly sickening that ANYONE in the USA in 2020 would support police violence, against someone just for using a rude name.

    such folks are either Communist or Fascist, there's no other choice.
     
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    People have a way of rationalizing the most abhorrent behavior. Compound that with total apathy (when it's not in their backyard) and it's a disaster.
     
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    I don't think anyone is suggesting random shootings.

    I've never been in law enforcement, but I know many who have. Those I've known are highly functional people, but they all drink heavily. They also have no problem getting behind the wheel of a vehicle after a golf tournament or association banquet. Many decades ago, my high school girlfriend's mother's boyfriend (a Chicago cop) would pull people over, search them, and if he found any weed, he'd confiscate it. He and my girlfriend's mother would smoke it. This was in the mid-'70s. He would drive drunk, which was basically any time outside of his shift.

    The sheer number of cops who drive drunk that I've seen over time, indicates a serious problem with the system.
     
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    This is not uncommon. It's a high stress job and there is a deep-seated stigma for cops to ask for help. When struggling, they have to remain silent if they want to keep their job and advance in their career. The reality is the cops only care about other cops so they will cover for one another (on the job and often off the job) and simply rationalize it with their "Blue Brotherhood Code".
     
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    Police are to be respected. Law abiding citizens understand they are there to protect from the lawless. If you want to disrespect and make their jobs extremely difficult......us law abiding citizens will support them when they "knock you on your a$%!!!!
     
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    Exactly. I didn't mention it in my previous post, but I've been in a car with my aforementioned high school GMB while he was drunk. I remember him getting pulled over for doing 100 on the expressway. The first thing he did was show his badge. Then he said we were on our way to the hospital. He could barely walk much less drive. Cop let him go. You or I would have been arrested.
     

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