Trump on Covid death toll: 'It is what it is'

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Yup.

    Just incredibly delusional.

    And, he has no answers beyond "it is what it is".
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    "Economists"? Also, the testers were asking if the people were at protests. But again, if going to riot/protest wont spread a disease for some reason, why would standing in line outside spread the disease?
    https://news.yahoo.com/blasio-tells-covid-contract-tracers-134316096.html
     
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    Who is missing PPE and we test more than anyone else in the world. What are these metrics that you seem to be quoting?
     
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    I didn't quote any articles. You picked out some random article and attempted to use it as a holy link.
     
  6. Lesh

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    Regardless of the rest of the world (and per capita you are wrong) we are not testing enough and tests take too long to produce results
    That is an epic fail on the part of the government

    and PPE is in short supply in all the states now getting hit
     
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    Testing must be proportional to the size of the outbreak. We have the worst outbreak in the world, we thus need to test more than anyone else.

    And we are still not testing enough nor are we getting the results fast enough.
     
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    YEPP
     
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    That said, I agree with him to an extent. He's not a doctor and the virus is everywhere. Tragic as it is, it's gonna run its course until it doesn't.
     
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    You realize that you shot your own argument in foot right from the get-go, nööööö. It's embarrassing to watch people stumble over their own feet like this. Really, it is.

    First, we don't remove deaths from statistics just because you don't like them. That's not what civilized people do. What you are suggesting be done is what tyrants do. Oh, and removing the deaths to which you are referring would not account for half of all deaths. Far less than half. So, that is also bullshit, nöööö. Facts. Facts. Facts.

    Second, at the time, it was CDC guideline procedure to do exactly as both NY and NJ did, in other words, both states were following the guidlines given. You know, the CDC guidelines that the TRUMP administration published. Since then, we have learned some things. Most importantly, we have learned that Trump can be trusted for absolutely nothing.

    Third, we now know that Kushner did have a national plan for testing and PPE but scrapped it end of March, thinking that only Blue states would be hit and (D)-Governors would be blamed and Trump was like, oh **** them, they're just Democrats, let 'em die, especially the dark colored ones, they won't vote for me, anyway. So, yeah, Trump is indeed not adverse to murder, it's part of his mob-DNA. And vicious, at that.

    So, before you get all up on your high horse about some old folks dying in old folks homes from C19 (which has been happening all over the nation, not just on the East Coast, unless of course you consider Arkansas and Arizona and Georgia and Alabama and Tennessee and the like to be part of the East Coast, who knows, not every low-information voter out there is really educated these days, nöööö), let's consider the murderous intent and APPLICATION of such by Kushner and his daddy-in-law, for which they will one day be charged. And that is some Marie Antoinette, Defcon 1, Nürnberg-tribunal, guillotine-level **** right there.

    If you think that people have not noticed how badly Trump has ****ed all of this up and we now know that part of this was DELIBERATE in order to somehow help his hapless re-election chances, then you have not been paying attention. Not that I expect all people to actually pay attention. But you can be guaranteed that the blue tsunami that is going to hit the USA from all shores in 89 days will be proof that we, the sane people of America, have not forgotten.

    Thank you for playing.
     
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    That's not true anymore.
    The USA is averaging publishing 600,000 to 700,000 performed tests per day.
    So is India. They are now essentially tied.
    So, get your facts straight.

    India has gone from 1,000,000 total tests performed to over 21,500,000 tests performed in the last 42 days or less. That's a 21.5-fold growth rate.
    The USA has gotten to 61,200,000 tests performed in 5.5 months.

    You do the math in your head and let me know when you figure it out, mkay.
     
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    Trump on Covid death toll: 'It is what it is'

    It certainly is what it is. Look at these death tolls for other countries just because they approve the use of a certain drug that has been widely used for the past 65 year. Nearly an 80% less mortality rate.

    https://hcqtrial.com/

     
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    Every double blind study shows no benefit from HCQ either to those who are mildly to severely ill.

    Do not take HCQ unless advised to do so by your personal doctor and, even then, consider getting a 2nd opinion.
     
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    Trump on Covid death toll: 'It is what it is'

    So it must not be what it is?
     
  15. MrTLegal

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    Well it depends on what you mean by "is" if you want the answer to "if it isn't what it is, what is it?" Probably need to define "it" too.

    In the best of times, "it is what it is" is a callous indifference to 1000 Americans dying per day. At worse, it is an admission by trump that he is powerless to do a damn thing to protect the lives and safety of the people that he supposedly represents.
     
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    Why not mention the population differences as well? As a %, US has tested roughly 20% of its population using your numbers. India is maybe 2%. A tenfold magnitude of difference.... Statistics aren't your friend.
     
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    Poor reporter dude looks like he just shat himself, and it smells..... He must not have a good publicist...
     
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    The only way you get to "tested roughly 20% of its population" is if you assume that each test represents a different person.
     
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    Provide a link. Prove your point. Isn't that what you always demand? Show your work, in other words.
     
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    Actually that's a look of "What the **** are you talking about Mr. President?"
     
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    I agree. Government can't stop a virus. It never could. It never will.
     
  22. MrTLegal

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    You are using the number of tests as your numerator. The number of tests is not synonymous the number of individuals tested. Some individuals, like trump, are tested multiple times a month or week.

    That does not require a citation, but you can review the testing data at covidtracking.com and they break down the types of tests performed and reported by each State.
     
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    It is what it is......Main contributing factors;

    1. CDC screwups

    2. From February 1st to mid March.....The 2 million plus UNSCREENED passengers from Europe.

    3. Re-opening the economy at a high positivity rate.....back then, less than 18 states were at par and/or below WHO’s 5% Positivity Rate recommendation.

    4. Irresponsible behaviour.....mainly young adults.

    5. Leadership starts at the top.......Trump brushed off his own/CDC re-opening guidelines, and social distancing relaxing rules.....because he wanted to be seen as a Liberator/Freedom fighter. In reference to wearing masks, good leaders lead by example.

    6. Political peer pressure; Local/State/Federal elected officials politicizing individual rights/Freedom to choose OVER Public safety.......see my thread; Anti-mask elected officials can be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
     
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    Pretty unprofessional at any rate. Reminds me of when Dan Rather....
     
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    So, per your own standards, you can't provide a link? You can't cite your own assertion? You are making assertion absent credible citation that your theory has merit. These are your standards, why run from your own method now?
     

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