Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    What a load of crap. Everyone has looked at what they did and nothing wrong has been found except for babbling GOP lying scumbag propagandists. Law enforcement says you're nuts.... Change the channel
     
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    I always thought Nixon got unfairly demonized as being a bad president, or as an embarrassment to the Republican Party.
    It seemed most everyone, even conservative Republicans, reluctantly accepted this without question.

    Yes, his support of the Vietnam War was extremely questionable and you could fairly claim he was a bad president just because of that, but most of the writings critical of Nixon seem to focus on other things than that.

    I never saw many opinions that were more skeptical of the supposed assessment that he was one of the worst presidents.

    Ford (who came right after Nixon) was also a better president than most give credit to.

    If I had been in Congress, I may have voted to remove Nixon from the Presidency, but not for the reasons that would have been given in the impeachment. And I'm not sure how that would even work, if you want to remove someone from office but at the same time want to express that you do not believe they should be removed for the reasons put forth.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    And that is what kept CEO pay low. Nobody wanted to pay 90% on over $200,000 or 2 million in today's money.....
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Things like having an enemies list and using the IRS to go after political opponents and anti-war people. That's why the president only gets to appoint an IRS leader or two now. The more you look the more there is....
     
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    That's the only explanation for your bologna period every intelligent person who doesn't watch Fox news all the time is in on it the conspiracy LOL. The deep state is everywhere LOL period who needs evidence or courtrooms or investigations or anything? All you need is lying spot off scumbag GOP Fox pundits....
     
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    Complete and utter NONSENSE! Even Republicans wanted to IMPEACH Nixon and he is NOT "despised", he is DOWNGRADED for FAILING to uphold the Law of the Land which is one of the primary DUTIES of the office.

    More absurdist bovine excrement.

    Look at what is happening RIGHT NOW!

    BOTH Dems and Republicans in state legislatures across the nation were trying to implement legislation to enable Voting by Mail in November. Then your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief started LYING about it and now it is the Republicans who are REFUSING to work with Dems to sort out this URGENT problem that IMPACTS the Constitutional Rights of We the People.

    So you are just PROJECTING the egregious FAILINGS of elected Republicans onto Dems.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    It was the Republican Contract On America that did all the damage to We the People.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    We are discussing the Southern Racist VOTERS!

    Millions of them abandoned the DP and now support the GOP instead.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's some truth to that, but it was more complex than that.

    Besides, judging by the history it's pretty doubtful Nixon actually held their sentiments. He just needed the political support from the South.
    His predecessor Goldwater had proved it was a viable strategy (although it wasn't enough to give Goldwater the electoral victory).
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Good grief! :eek:

    We actually AGREE on something for a change! ;)
     
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    Rightly so, Nixon would be so much better than Trump.
     
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    well Trump sets that bar pretty low
     
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    Ever notice how the GOP have been lowering the bar ever since Ike?

    Nixon.

    St Reagan was a ACTOR who used the National Credit Card like a drunken frat boy buying kegs of beer for a party.

    Dan Quayle who was the living embodiment of white privilege.

    Bush jr who at least was smart enough to know that he wasn't qualified for the job.

    Sarah Palin who was the female equivalent of the tangerine turd.

    And now the wannabe Fascist-in-Chief who deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

    So at this stage the bar is BELOW ground level and covered in so much crap it is no longer visible.
     
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    Jimmy Carter was a disaster.

    Bill Clinton was banging an intern in the Oval office.

    obama gave Iran billions of dollars while selling America out to globalists.

    And you claim Republicans have set the bar low? Hahaha!
     
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    Haha??

    I meant what I said. As far as Trump goes, prosecutors will be fighting each other over for who gets what when...
     
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    Actually....

    Carter made a lot of mistakes. I'd give him a D. By way of comparison, I give Reagan an F. One of the things that's ironically funny about this is that Carter was conservative with money. While Reagan transformed the country, turning us from the world's largest creditor to being the world's largest debtor. All 4 years of Carter's debts were close to Reagan's average debt for a single year.

    People have sex, most are smart enough to not use sex as a weapon.

    Obama gave Iranian money back to Iran as part of the deal. Btw, Trump broke the deal and made things a sh*tload worse.

    Republicans don't have a bar, the very idea is laughable.
     
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    Why? Do ypu prefer war with them ... hot or cold war? And if yes ... since when and why do you, because Trump decalred them to the new Empire of Evil and before that you ignored it?

    No ... China isn't innocent and do bad things without any doubt ... even the US is often enough not better as the Chinese ... but this "sudden "Anti_China Hype" in the USA when Americans blame Chine to be guilty for nearly all and everything bad in the world is really rediculous!

    About Nixon ... one of the worst Presidents ever. Did some good things of course, but Watergate alone made him not better as any Mafia Gangster!
     
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    I keep hearing what a bad President Carter was. I struggle to understand in what way?

    Yes he supported the Shah when he got sick. The Shah was an American ally.

    The CIA failed to warn of the danger that would cause, culminating in the hostage situation regarding the Embassy. He authorized a failed rescue attempt. That failure was not his fault. Had it succeeded he would have been hailed as a hero.

    It was a tough time. And he got blamed for it
     
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    That's not true. I know many right wingers who care very much for the environment, myself among them. I want more environmental protections, more protected wilderness, not less. Environmental issues is a place I disagree greatly with the present administration, but I don't see the environment as a right/left issue. It's a humanity issue.

    Ive seen the left endorsing extremely environmentally damaging projects. An example is the massive new power corridor Central Maine Power is trying to build through Maine, which our former democratic governor loved because she had been bought by CMP. Both the left and right oppose that deal for the damage it will do by fragmenting the habitats of the worlds largest remaining hardwood forest and trampling sensitive wetland environments.

    Your broad blanket statements on what the right is is ridiculous. It's like saying "black people can't read" or something ignorant like that.
     
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    ~ ❓Six months ... :confuse:´
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    Well anyway looking back at Watergate it seems lightweight compared to what we know about the Obama administration corruption.
     
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    The southern strategy myth is nixon courted racists votes with racist policies. The fact is Nixon came up with a good economic plan that made many voters in the south switch parties. I'm sure at least some of them were racist but there decision to switch parties was based on economics not race issues.
    Fast forward to today and any of those racist that switched parties then are dead now yet the myth of racism in the Republican party pushed by democrats who own slavery continues.
     
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    Nixon, I'd put him in the middle of the pact among presidents I have personally experienced in my lifetime. But there's no doubt Nixon was the most liberal president this side of FDR.
     
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    And still the left has nothing but contempt for him which proves Republicans can not work with democrats and calls by the left to do so ring hollow.
     
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    Well then there is that COVID thing and the lack of transparency about it's severity.. Ya, they/their leader is/are very much so the enemy of the world today..

    Then again I'm not a CHINER sympathizer..
     
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