Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

I might start a thread about Carter, but later, can't really face it at the moment.

 

Your OPINION is NOT supported by the FACTS.

 

You'll find quite a lot of folks, perhaps even a majority go by the R and the D behinds a candidates or president's name. They pay very little attention to how any president governs.

Nixon's record shows how liberal he was when it comes to actual governing. Yet most Democrats, the left still brand him as a Conservative. There's been no president since FDR that has had a more liberal record than Nixon. Not Obama, not Bill Clinton, nor Jimmy Carter. This is what leads me to the belief that the left will brand anyone with an R as a conservative even if that R governing record is more liberal than any other Democratic presidents since FDR. There wasn't anything conservative about Nixon. Not in the traditional sense of the word.

 

Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?

Seems doubtful to me. The last great president we had was Teddy Roosevelt. Before him were Lincoln, Jackson and Washington. Jackson was unpopular but he understood the problems of national debt and eliminated it during his term. I realize Jefferson is on Mt Rushmore but I'm not so sure about him. Let's just say Jefferson was a competent president. It is a very small group that isn't likely to include Nixon.

I wish we could have Stonewall Jackson as president today.

 

Opinions don't require facts. They are simply opinions.

 

January 20, 1969 to July 20, 1969. Six months!

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Who's Obama. And why is he (whoever that is) not in jail then? Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Presidency for two whole years. And they appointed scores of U.S. Attorneys. They have had control of each one of those for way more than that. And they couldn't get this O'Bama fella into prison? Not even a trial? Not even a special jury or Congressional investigation to even list those those crimes?

Now if that's not incompetence, I don't know what is!

Maybe you should ask your QAnon colleagues why that is. They might now.

 

Everything I said was fact

 

Ah, the misery index. Since presidents take credit for a good economy, they get blamed when it turns sour. In reality there is little a president can do. If a president could, we would have all ups and no downs.

The Iranian Hostage Crisis did cause Jimmy harm. His decision to remain in the White House during the Crisis made it seem he was the hostage. But the race was needle close until the final debate when Reagan asked the question, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago." That rhetorical question turned a close race into a route.

That was the last time I saw a debate influence an election. No one remembers what Carter or Reagan said during that debate. They remember just Reagan's last question. Ronnie's last question turned a very close 3 point race into a 9 point victory for Reagan. That was a lot of people thinking and deciding they were indeed worst off.

Perhaps if presidents didn't take all the credit when the economy is good, they wouldn't be hurt so bad when the economy goes south? Especially since I don't think any president has much control whether the economy is good or bad.

 

Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?


Only if compared to the worst...Trump.

 

You're kidding right? Nixon all but killed the U.S. manned space program because he knew it would be credited to Kennedy and Johnson.

 

Com'on man....you're better than that! When you say "white nationalist" you imply a nation catering to whites. Likewise with "black nationalist." We are American Nationalist. You don't divide that......sorry.

 

I grew up around white nationalists. Thats' not what "white nationalist" means. Com'on man, you are better than that. White nationalism refers to the idea of a white ethnostate. Black nationalism refers to the idea of a black ethnostate. Surely you understand how adjectives work.

 

I don't in any way desire war......but the confrontation would have been back when our military might was far superior to China's. I don't believe, like Deocrats......strength through appeasement.

Exactly, Yardmeat. We say the same things with different words. That is why I prefer an "American ethnostate". One race....the human race. One Nationality-American.

 

Then you aren't talking about white nationalism anymore. You are talking about something else entirely, and what you are speaking of doesn't address white nationalism.

 

My intent was not to address "white Nationalism". In fact I can't name anyone that comes under that title. My President is an American Nationalist. America First with all races supporting the effort.

 

I can easily name a white Nationalist, and he still works in the White House, not to mention the hundreds I met growing up. Trump may be innocent of the charge, but he sure doesn't mind hiring them.

 

The hell it was. Nixon was a president in a liberal era, he had to compromise. If you want to see the real Nixon look at Superfund, which was designed to tie the EPA up in the courts.

It was Kissinger, and high time. Nixon does deserve some credit for it. It broke the Sino-Sovet bloc, at least until Trump came along.

Let's set ideology aside for a moment, Nixon made a lot of mistakes. The Drug War is a disaster we still have. Nixon used price controls, that still boggles my mind. Nixon prob could not have stopped this if he wanted, but when he took us off gold, he broke the best financial system the world has ever seen. He wasn't the only president to do this, but he used the CIA to help American business.

This is just me speculating, but I think one of the reasons Republicans came to support impeachment was that Nixon had been quietly talking up a third term.

Oh, I almost forgot, my favorite moment of the Nixon presidency. To keep the far Right happy, he set up a review committee to oversee CIA reports. The problem was every damn level of analysis would add 10% just to be on the safe side. Nixon's committee added that, or more.

So suddenly every Russia soldier was 10 feet tall, ate steel bolts for breakfast and sh*t bullets out their ass. We suddenly started giving Russia major concessions, and I don't think he ever figured out why. One of those was precision ball bearing machines, which increased Russian military effectiveness more than any other person in history. Way to go, Milhous!

 

I give Carter a B and Ted Kennedy an F for being an a****** the whole time... He wanted a big tax cut like Reagan almost but Teddy and other Democrats wanted to spend money after 8 years of GOP.

Monica was 22 years old and seduced Clinton for crying out loud and what the hell does that have to do with politics anyway except in phony scandal conspiracy theory pure misinformation GOP....

all that money for Iran was Iran's money in the first place that we confiscated and we're holding for 30 years. It was a great deal and we could have helped young Iranians take over the country . Now we're back to the GOP style confrontation which just keeps things confrontational forever. See Cuba

 

All the Black Americans, Brown Americans , Yellow Americans that work for him, do they mind working with them? I'm far more comfortable working with maybe a very few white Nationalists that slip through the cracks on the right than the Powerful Marxists that are connected with Biden! They are Marxist and unashamed! They have burned down segments of American cities for crying out loud!

 

So you ignore Republican anti-environmental policy because of some silly anecdote. Great job

 

Marxism my ass. The only people for Marxism and communism are people with a gun to their head in China Vietnam and Cuba. Unbelievable period why are we the only modern country without a living wage healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, and ID cards that would end illegal immigration like other rich countries already have, and mainly taxing the rich somewhat like their fair share again so we can invest in Americans again. That is socialism. Communism is a joke for the misinformed only. Same with all our cities are burning what a bunch of crap. Just more GOP propaganda hype....

 

I don't see how Marxists are any better than neo-Nazis like Miller. And white nationalists have done much more than just burn down buildings, for crying out loud. And this is a false dilemma. You can reject both Marxists and white nationalists like Miller.

 

And another liberal that refuses to give Nixon any credit for all the left of center policies he implemented. If you have an R behind your name you are scum to the left.

 

A Republican, namely Nixon gave us the EPA and the endangered species act. Both were good things environmentalist such as myself applauded at the time. Unfortunately the left politicized both of those acts and used them to implement their anti capitalism anti America policies.

 

Not all our cities but a lot of the one's long run by democrats.