Study Shows Significant Link Between Mercury and Autism

I’ve had plenty of responses to the topic. Feel free to read them.

 

No, the time proximity (as claimed by the parents) is NOT evidence that it was "caused by" the vaccine. At the most it is a time correlation in a single case. Autism doesn't present at birth, so the fact that there was a change is also not evidence of some causation after birth - presenting months after birth is the way autism works.

Beyond that, if that vaccine was discontinued then what action are you attempting to achieve here? No vaccine discontinuation has reduced the frequency of autism. What's the grounds for your continued accusations?

As pointed out above, you hae shown NO statistical connection AT ALL.

I'd also point out that your vids are created with NO reference to what medical science has found or to the medical practioners involved in any way (be they physicians or those involved in vaccine formulation or those who study autism) and the emphasis is on emotion from parents.

I hope you realize how cheap that is.

 

I got an alert that I was quoted in this post. Is this a response to me?

 

I deleted absolutely all of a post in response to something you wrote. I had no idea that it would still look like I was responding to you.

So, that comment was meant to mean that I had no excuse for my deletion or for the content that someone could possibly have caught before I deleted it.

Lesson learned. Sorry!

 

No problem. Much of the voodoo surrounding the quote function confuses me. I wish once you deleted unposted content it went away, but I can’t get it to either. Thanks for the clarification.

 

If fish contain mercury, are we saying our oceans contain mercury????

 

I think they said it was discontinued about seven years later. It should have been discontinued right when those three babies got autism right after taken the vaccine.

They were seven months old when they got the shots that allegedly caused the autism.


The info in post #174 is pretty much more of the same. Have you looked at it?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cury-and-autism.579730/page-7#post-1072323272


Have you watched these videos?

VAXXED (Full Movie)
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=vaxxed&FORM=HDRSC3

VAXXED 2
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...1-8&sk=&cvid=B98831357964469F9A001894662F66C0

 

None of that counters even one single thing pointed out against the anti-vax community by posters in this thread..

- Correlation does not prove causation.

- the growth in diagnoses of autism has come from an expanded understanding of that problem.

- like all medications, vaccines experience a constant process of improving effectiveness, cost of manufacturing, safety, etc. None of these changes have shown any difference in the rate of autism. If Vaccines caused autism, there would be a change in the number of autism cases easily traceable to specific vaccine formulations. That does not exist.

- the fact that there are still people bandying about the absolutely and totally invalidated Wakefield garbage is testimony to how science is totally ignored by the anti-vax community. Like you above, NO priniple of science withstands the refusal of the antivax crowed to ignore what is known about vaccines, what is known about autism and what are the very basics of scientific investigation on which all science based medicine depends.

- there are very serious problems with the "vaxed" movies. You can look up these problems. They involve total misrepresentations of what people have said, splicing interviews to purposefully give wrong understanding, etc., et. It's an information free propaganda screed that has NOTHING to do with medical science and is absolutely NOT an attempt to communicate truth.

I'm really disgusted when people post well known, purposefully constructed lies, by the way. There is merrit in the truth. Lies that do damage to people's lives really do deserve prison. Yes, free speech and all that. We let criminal minds damage people's lives and get away with it. But, those are still blatant assaults on the health of Americans and others as well and DESERVE prison.

If you want to support something, cite TRUTH - not known lies that hurt people.

Be part of the solution - not a propagator of the well known lies that damage our families.

 

So how do you explain this?
http://wellnessgospel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/autism-b.jpg

I don't think people who've actually watched the videos will agree with you. I see parents saying their children were normal and when they'd taken the vaccines, they became autistic. I see nothing out of context. Can you link to some examples?

I don't think that describes this guy.

Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized 2
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Review+Of+Critical+Vaccine+Studies:+400+Important+Scientific+Papers+Summarized&&view=detail&mid=7E9BF535DAF3766941217E9BF535DAF376694121&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=Review%20Of%20Critical%20Vaccine%20Studies%3A%20400%20Important%20Scientific%20Papers%20Summarized&qs=n&form=QBVR&sp=-1&pq=review%20of%20critical%20vaccine%20studies%3A%20400%20important%20scientific%20papers%20summarized&sc=0-78&sk=&cvid=FB49EB8C5E3C4C55874C1862EC0032A3




Can you give us your analysis of the above video?


People can listen to Wakefield and judge for themselves.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wakefield+vaccines&FORM=HDRSC3
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...-26&sk=&cvid=7B6DDD3B49814A56870026529BD329E4

 

why should I waste bandwidth?

Do you know how many children worldwide are vaccinated?

 

A lot; I see your point. I'd like to know the the exact percentage of vaccinated people who are allegedly-vaccine injured. All we have in second-hand info. Mainstream info can't be trusted.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+media

How can we figure out what the exact percentage is?

In those videos there's case after case of parents saying their children were fine until they got vaccinated. This would make an objective person suspicious at least. I can't see how anyone can just dismiss this.
https://www.vaxxed.com/stories-categorized-by-vaccine/

In my last post there's a video that you people haven't addresssed yet.
Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized 2

It looks pretty important to me. Do you have time to address it?


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More on Wakefield...
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=del+bigtree+wakefield&FORM=HDRSC3

 

I already did. And, so did another poster.

The primary reason for the increase in autism diagnoses is that more deficits are now considered autism.

But, YOU haven't explained how reduction or elmiination of the components of vaccines that antivaxers comlain about wouldn't cause a REDUCTION in autism diagnoses once those included in the above are removed from the data.

As I repeatedly pointed out removal of thimerisol, etc. made NO difference. Yet, antivaxers continue with the same claims - with NO SCIECE in support.

That certainly happens. Parents are not medical experts. Throughout history those who didn't have access to modern medical science have made huge mistakes about all diseases.

Surely you don't see that as surprising or even meaningful.


I don't think that describes this guy.

Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized 2
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Review+Of+Critical+Vaccine+Studies:+400+Important+Scientific+Papers+Summarized&&view=detail&mid=7E9BF535DAF3766941217E9BF535DAF376694121&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=Review%20Of%20Critical%20Vaccine%20Studies%3A%20400%20Important%20Scientific%20Papers%20Summarized&qs=n&form=QBVR&sp=-1&pq=review%20of%20critical%20vaccine%20studies%3A%20400%20important%20scientific%20papers%20summarized&sc=0-78&sk=&cvid=FB49EB8C5E3C4C55874C1862EC0032A3




Can you give us your analysis of the above video?
People can listen to Wakefield and judge for themselves.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wakefield+vaccines&FORM=HDRSC3
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=andrew+wakefield+interview&&view=detail&mid=C8020E399773782DDF19C8020E399773782DDF19&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=andrew%20wakefield%20interview&qs=n&form=QBVDMH&sp=-1&pq=andrew%20wakefield%20interview&sc=1-26&sk=&cvid=7B6DDD3B49814A56870026529BD329E4[/QUOTE]
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No. I'm not going to watch an hour and a half of some journalist who crafted a video to dispute the universal findings of medical science.

If you want to present some argument he used, I'd probably comment on that.

There IS a fundamental problem here

You are stating that you live in a world where the opinion of any randomly selected parent is more definitive than the entire world of modern medical science.

That is the world of religion based medicine.

I live in the world of science based medicine. And, there really is no way to argue against religion. If you make antivax impervious to all argument from science based medicine (as you have) that really is the end of discussion.

Using data and logic to attempt to deflect religion NEVER works.

 

I only have time for a quick post.

Start watching this at the 4:40 time mark.

Dumbing us Down- Mercury and Fluoride is poison
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...arch?q=thymerisol+vaccines+autism&FORM=HDRSC3




It shows mercury destroying a neuron under a microscope.

 

Nobody is disputing that Mercury is a poison

no one especially not after what happened in Japan

BUT isThimerosal a poison?

Arsenic is highly toxic but is actually found in seafood

compounds can contain heavy metals and NOT be toxic

Dihydrogen Monoxide remains one of the most lethal substances on the planet and yet I see you ignore it

 

Not just “a lot” but millions upon millions every year

What percentage of those millions of millions of vaccinated children have adverse outcomes?

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/immunization-coverage

 

Almost ALL of mercury has been removed from ALL vaccines. Vaccines for kids enterying school do not contain thimerosol or any form of mercury.

And, there is NO claim backed by actual evidence that suggests that our vaccines are a problem today.

Look - if you have evidence then show it. So far, what you've show has been BS for several fundamental reasons.

EVERYBODY knows that mercury destroys brains.

Look at what happened in Flint. The government there decided that they didn't ahve to care about the population and fed them significant amounts of mercury in their water supply.

But, that has nothing to do with vaccines, because antivaxers point to vaccines that don't have mercury and they make claims that are not supported by evidence.

 

Are you trying to use reason, facts and logic to dispel conspiracy theories again? Stop it at once. You know that discriminates against anti vaxers.

 

what gets me is how they ignore the clear dangers of DHMO Dihydrogen Monoxide which has a far higher mortality rate and is contained in vaccines

http://www.dhmo.org/

For those of you who are chem savvy will know what substance I am talking about

 

Here's something the viewers can check out.
http://traceamounts.com/scientific-papers-showing-linking-thimerosal-exposure-to-autism/

It's a list of studies that link mercury to autism. You can do a search on each one and find the abstracts. I did the first five in https://www.bing.com/ . There are thirty nine of them.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25688267/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25708367/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25461563/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24995277/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11339848/


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Here's something else.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/5430940

 

Children are not given vaccines containing thimerosal

 

I've been googling around and I found some more stuff.

Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines Movie dire


https://www.bing.com/search?q=Silen...s=n&sk=&cvid=A4AF069A40744A5FA7EA8A09EFA1F2B1

https://www.wddty.com/news/cdc-fails-to-provide-scientific-proof-that-vaccines-dont-cause-autism/

Trace Amounts: Ethyl Mercury | Educational Documentary


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...rcury+%7c+Educational+Documentary&FORM=HDRSC3

https://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/01/us-admits-safe-vaccines-kill/

https://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2012/03/important-health-news-vaccines-and.html

 

There are sources that say they are and there are sources that say they aren't.

Dumbing us Down- Mercury and Fluoride is poison

(3:45 time mark)


Tell how we can find out who's telling the truth.

 

LOL Which century were they from

 

You're not going to impress any thinking viewers with empty rhetoric. Go into some detail.

 

Go to posts 88 & 91. This subject has been beaten to death