Why so many Americans believe there was an election fraud?

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  1. Gentle- Giant

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    You have to admire Republicans for never being afraid to look foolish. Jim Jordon has made a career of it.
     
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    of course. The facts remain the same. There is no evidence of voter fraud on any scale even remotely large enough to have affected this election.
     
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    If people gather evidence and you refuse to look at it there is still evidence.
     
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    Ok? Problem is, nobody has evidence of voter fraud on a scale large enough to affect this election. Every single investigative body has shown you that. The DHS, DOJ, FBI, Attorney General, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican governors, and every single court this has been in front of, have all shown you there was no fraud.
     
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    That's what I keep hearing.
     
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    SCOTUS didn't investigate whether or not there was elections fraud

    They didn't look for fraud. They simply refused to hear the cases because of the politics of overturning an election.

    The fraud was perpetrated by state governments.

    That makes one of us.

    No your friend doesn't know a thing about the U.S. and about who is and who is not educated. Your friend suffers from arrogance.
     
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    Which investigative bodies are those?
     
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    No, that’s what you keep rejecting. It’s called reality. You need to acknowledge it, and accept the fact that Biden is your president for at least the next 4 years. There was no voter fraud in this election at any greater rate than the minuscule amount of every other election. REPUBLICAN officials, judges etc have all shown you this.
     
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    Did you not read the post you quoted? Your question is answered there.
     
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    That seems to be the story from the left, I'm waiting to see how it all plays out. Another reality for you is it isn't quite over yet.
     
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    it isn’t what you’ve heard. It’s what you’ve been shown. It’s played out already. No fraud. Biden won. EC votes 306 to 232. Congress confirms this Wednesday. Biden is president 1/20/21

    Nope. It’s been over for weeks. Biden is your president.
     
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    Your European friend likely has a point. Though I imagine your friend didn't mean it in the same way that I agree with it- 'well educated' is synonomous these days with 'successfully indoctrinated.' That is to say education systems are always 'priority 1' for the elite class to gain control of so they can 'teach' people why and how to control the masses, and thus the masses are right to distrust them (or, at least, the portion of the masses that do not wish to be controlled are right to distrust them...).

    Consider who is most often referred to as 'educated'. The folks who keep civilization running with their essential skills to build and maintain it, or the folks with the authority handed down to them to 'manage' those skills?

    It sounds like your European friend is an elitist.
     
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    Maybe
     
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    Since there were no federal government investigations done, my question was not answered. I don't take the word of the local political hacks who actually engaged in the fraud. Recounts only verify the accuracy of the count. It says nothing at all about how legal or illegal the ballots were.
     
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    Paul Ryan:
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    Washington Post has a one hour long recording of Dirty Donalds call to the Georgia Secretary of State where he is telling and threatening reprisals if the secretary of state cannot find more votes for him and to claim that a recount will show he won if they all of a sudden FIND 11,780 votes for him??? Is there no depth to which this human scumbag will not fall to gratify his own ego. He belongs in prison.
     
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    Irrefutably, not maybe.
     
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    I listed several federal agencies that investigated the election and showed you there was no fraud. Every single court this has been in front of has shown you the same thing. Time for you to accept reality.
     
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    what fraud? I've not seen any yet.
     
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    Your friend (assuming it was your friend and not you personally) uses the education thing to represent his /her/ own personal beliefs. I would prefer that the word"indoctrinated" be used instead of educated. That would be an honest assessment. I know people that went to a University for four years and are astounded that I still read "books" and have my own personal library. Many haven't touched a book since they left school.

    You can point out all the RINOS, establishment figures you want to that will say we do not need to investigate voter fraud, but that doesn't change one big thing. At least 39% of the electorate believes there definitely was fraud in spite of the fact the left wing media called the election on Nov.3rd and has declared it final every day since! That is not a Constitutional viewpoint.

    We have 12 Senators and over a hundred House members now that believe there was definitely fraud. Do you (or your friend) want to say they are all uneducated? I think that would be very Partisan of you. Why not let them be heard, a job the media would not do. There are questions that must be answered. Instead, why act threatened?
    If States didn't violate their own Constitutions, and vote observers were not kicked out while vote counting resumed, and vote counting systems were not rigged......you have nothing to worry about. Let's hear it explained Nationally!
     
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    Un indoctrinated people never trust indoctrinated people.....those that see themselves as an "elite class".
     
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    Ah yes...that old bullcrap chestnut....hahaha...keep the laugh coming
     
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    Sounds like "elitist laughter!"
     
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    More like mocking laughter. By the way...my wife would fall over laughing at the thought of me being consider “elitist”. You clearly don’t know me.
     
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    Paul Ryan is in a tie with Mitt Romney in replacing Juan McCain as the Anti Trump Rino posterboy. Nobody is attempting anything that is not provided in the Constitution. Must we pretend fraud cannot exist?
     

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