A white woman was shot by a cop in Washington

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Well, I would suggest that the obvious answer is that blacks commit more crime than whites. Isn't it around about three times more crime, maybe more? Plus there is the higher recidivism rates to take into account, meaning longer sentences.

    I don't know what you mean by this. Wouldn't it be even MORE unforgivable if systemic racism DID exist?

    Oh, so you agree that it's a farce. So then why did you quote from it?

    Do you think that tens of thousands of road deaths per year is acceptable? And why do you mention NAIRU?

    Well the Dems need Republican support too don't they? Also, you think that Bernie Sanders is the newly appointed chief of the Budget Office? Google says NO to that!

    Well, who exactly pays for the debt?

    How is America NOT exceptional? Are you under the impression that exceptional means superior?

    Why can't all of that be done WITH putting America First? You seem to think that "America First" means American ONLY.

    Pompeo has talked about "Armageddon?" Google also says NO to that!

    Are you religious?

    No. Are you?

    How the hell does religion and economics have anything to do with the human waste rioters in the Capitol?
     
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    Poverty and crime are associated...

    Poverty rates for blacks are double that of whites. It's an unacceptable statistic.

    Now, some say it's due to systemic racism, I say it's an economic system problem, noting that some white people live in poverty too.

    Because the UN was the most significant social advance of the 20th century.

    That is, establishment of International Law and defence of the principles enshrined in the UNUDHR, is a work in progress, on the way to achieving a new human civilisation based on co-operation, not war.

    The former can be reduced and eventually eliminated (eg,driverless technology); the latter is dogma related to outdated free market principles and classical economics.

    No.
    See senate budget reconciliation. bills,


    Sanders to wield gavel as gatekeeper for key Biden proposals | TheHill

    (the above is a link). I may have got his exact title wrong.

    You mean: from whom is the government borrowing the money. The sovereign currency-issuing government does not NEED to borrow from anyone. In fact the reserve banks of Japan and China already create money 'ex nihilo' on their books; just as private banks create money ex nihilo in the US.

    How to Pay for It All: An Option the Candidates Missed | WEB OF DEBT BLOG (ellenbrown.com)

    The above is a link MMT is also mentioned in the article.

    That term is generally understood to mean the latter, when used in the phrase "American exceptionalism"

    That's what Trump means by it, as proved by his tariffs on friend and foe alike....

    Something wrong with your search engine?

    The Rapture and the Real World: Mike Pompeo Blends Beliefs and Policy - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    "Mr. Pompeo talks about the rapture. “We will continue to fight these battles,” he said at a “God and Country Rally” in 2015, because there is a “never-ending struggle” until “the rapture.”

    All men are religious, or spiritual, or wonder in the infinity of creation...

    Obviously.

    It's the loss of well paying middle class jobs in the 1st world over the last 4 decades that has created "the human waste rioters". And Trump certainly has special support from the conservative, fundamentalist religious Right.

    BTW, speaking of "human waste rioters" :

    Ashli Babbitt, woman killed in Capitol riots, described as patriot who 'loved America with all her heart' | Fox News

    "Much of that zest and vehement Trump advocacy was reflected in her Twitter account. She used the display name "CommonSenseAsh" and described herself as a veteran, Libertarian, and Second Amendment supporter in the biographical section.

    Her page was peppered with allusions to the fringe, right-wing extremist conspiracy theory movement known as QAnon, often retweeting its accounts and donning a Q-inspired shirt.

    "Nothing will stop us….they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon D.C. in less than 24 hours….dark to light!" she wrote in one post, and in others touted #StoptheSteal retweets as well as calls for California Gov. Gavin Newsom to be recalled".

    A "human waste" rioter?
     
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    Sure. It’s certainly a more left centric concern.
     
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    Leftist, Socialist, white male etc.
     
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    Wasn't she a rioter? Are you referring to a specific part of the above info?
     
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    Socialist, or democratic socialist? I hear there's a REAL distinction.
     
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    That’s a much bigger question than you might think, it certainly is for me anyway. I’d say I’m a Socialist(S) over Democratic Socialist(DS), but I wouldn’t be opposed to be labeled as the latter. In my mind, at least in the US, DS focuses more heavily on the implementation of social programs/needs such as healthcare, minimum wage increases, and housing; S, such as myself would be interested in taking that further. Laborers owning the means of production, socialized housing, removal of the owner/landlord class. I could go on, but I feel that I’d be taking on teaching a course that I’m not really qualified to teach.
     
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    Yes she was a rioter, shot by security inside the Capitol during the riots.

    She knew what she was doing.

    "Nothing will stop us….they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon D.C. in less than 24 hours….dark to light!" she wrote in one post,"

    But she certainly wasn't "human waste" (your term....like some of the rioters) as the article makes clear.
    She was a victim of Trump's siren calls for "patriotism"...and the belief that freedom cannot exist unless the free market remains independent of government intervention , a hangover from Friedman's neoliberalism.

    You might read Wade Davis: "The Unravelling of America" re the failure of neoliberalism to create sufficient well-paid middle class jobs since the 70's)

    and

    'The Morals of the Market" by Jessica Whyte, re "the fatal embrace of human rights and neoliberalism. Drawing on detailed archival research on the parallel histories of human rights and neoliberalism, Jessica Whyte uncovers the place of human rights in neoliberal attempts to develop a moral framework for a market society.'

    Just in

    Washington DC braces as thousands of National Guard move in for inauguration day | US Capitol breach | The Guardian

    "As Congress acted to impeach Donald Trump on Wednesday and the president urged his supporters to shun violence, the National Guard started to deploy 20,000 troops in the US capital.
    At Trump’s inauguration in 2016, the figure was about 8,000."

    The Americans certainly appear keen to disprove Churchill's famous remark about democracy.....
     
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    Oh I see, you're challenging me on my description. Fair enough. Yes, I wouldn't put her into that category, but it's only because she served. It's possible that she has PTSD and that it contributed to her decline. She is still responsible for her actions though - as you say, she knew what she was doing.

    Wouldn't you say that they were ALL victims? Why only her?

    You're not American yourself?
     
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    So you don't actually think that there is an interest in getting Democrats elected, and Republicans elected when it comes to Fox?
     
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    So a country doesn't engage in trade putting its interests first?
     
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    I fully understand that "I think if you can't show that the officer didn't know then the shooting is justified" is what you SAID, but I don't know what you mean when you refer to that as a "premise."
     
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    That's what I mean. And the media goes along with it!
     
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    Either way, it is a double standard! Surely you can see that!
     
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    Speaking of 'white male', how do you feel about Biden's sexist and racist policy announcement which excludes white men?
     
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    The article does highlight her several other positive qualities. I think she was blinded by ideology that the narcissist Trump has brilliantly exploited for his own purposes to become Ruler of the Universe, but it has all come crashing down.

    Yes they were all victims in that they were misled by Pied-Piper Trump.

    Some of them do happen to be "deplorables" as well (like some in BLM), though even these people are victims of a dysfunctional economic system.

    Btw, more on the "our grand-children will be paying our debt" nonsense:

    A government that spends now, to ameliorate the negative effects of a recession, eg, long term under/unemployment, or spends money to improve the nation's productive capacity, eg more on education and research, will ensure the economy is in a better shape going forward, including for our grandchildren.....

    The problem in the US is the government is banned from creating money in its own bank, and has to go begging to the private sector...a system designed to serve vested interests in
    the private sector. ...study the 'Lewis Powell memo', to understand how the democracies have become so polarized now.

    eg, From Wikipedia
    The Lewis Powell Memo: Corporate Blueprint to Dominate Democracy. Written in 1971 to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Lewis Powell Memo was a blueprint for corporate domination of American Democracy.

    The Powell Memorandum thus became the blueprint for the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as well as inspiring the US Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.

    OK the above is off topic...and yet Babbitt would still be alive today if the public had known - 3 decades ago - how central bankers were going to manage the money supply on behalf of private vested interests.......

    Now it seems Biden is presenting a $2trillion package to congress....I can already hear the faux screams and lies from orthodox economists re the "burden on our grandchildren".

    No, but the US is still the 'world policeman'; hence my interest.

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    Oh sure, I'm not doubting that! I'm certainly not saying that there is something about the black race which makes them commit more crime. So then you do acknowledge that blacks commit more crime than whites?

    I agree.

    More like LOTS of white people. Way more than black in sheer raw numbers, but of course this is due to the population difference. Anyway, you should be careful not to underplay the white poverty. There's precisely ZERO white privilege in the poor white communities in the US. What a complete JOKE to say that they have more privilege than a black billionaire - not that I'm saying you are saying that.

    So a FARCE was the most significant social advance of the 20th century? Damn. I wonder what the LEAST significant social advance of the 20th century is!

    Sure, but that's not answering the question. Do you think that tens of thousands of road deaths per year is acceptable?

    As in, creating money out of nothing?

    So is there another country like the US? Or are there certain things about the US which make it unique?

    Well he said "rapture." I searched for "armageddon."

    I think that atheists would have to disagree with that!

    What makes you think that the rioters were unemployed?

    Yes, Trump certainly does have special support from the conservative, fundamentalist religious right, but how does this mean that religion had anything to do with what happened at the Capitol? Were they holding up Bibles or something?
     
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    Oh for sure. My answer wasn’t all encompassing.
     
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    Trade is a series of compromises. All parties involved have to get what they want out of it. If a nation approaches everything as a zero sum game it makes them less desirable trading partners. I’m not saying a nation shouldn’t be concerned with its own interests, but if it comes at the expense of their trading partners then they will find they have fewer and fewer as times goes on.
     
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    Shouldn't a nation be concerned with its own interests at all times?
     
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    But you say that like opposing views aren’t heavily represented as well. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc. collectively struggle to compete with a single news source, Fox News. I don’t believe a political lean inherently precludes factual reporting, though I do find that all of those stations struggle in that areas when it comes to their talking heads, Fox News especially.
    I tend to lean more towards sources such as AP, NPR, and BBC. I feel that they do a better job with straight reporting than any of those. And yes, I know NPR’s variety shows skew heavily left.
     
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    Everyone has double standards.
     
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    Which policy announcement? Are we talking about cabinet picks? If so, that doesn’t bother me. Women and people of color are severely under represented in our government. I don’t mind proactive steps t correct disparity.
     
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    Not at the expense of its trading partners.
     
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    I can safely say that I hold only the one consistent standard.
     

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