The Left's Crazed Revolution Is A Threat To All

When you lie that elections are rigged and attacked the capital you are not a patriot. Just another missinformed GOP base voter.

 

We'll just have to disagree. As for Paul, lots of people claim a lot of things, doesn't mean they are correct

 

Marxism's first step is destruction of the past.

 

Much of what still passes as a "progressive" movement has acquired champaign wishes and fascist dreams.

"FBI informers in the Socialist Workers party managed not only to infiltrate the tiny organization but in many instances to achieve high positions. So much so that in 1975 when a federal district court judge ordered the FBI to keep its informers away from the national convention of the SWP, the government appealed the matter all the way to the Supreme Court. The FBI explained that its informants were such senior officials that if they did not attend the convention their identities would immediately become obvious."
THE LAWLESS STATE, The crimes of the U.S. Inteligence Agencies, by Morton Halperin, Jerry Berman, Robert Borosage, Christine Marwick, Penguin Books, 1976.
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/NSA/Lawless_State.html

The thinking Left used to know that the police state was not their little buddy.

 

Yes. When a society is conquered, one of the first things they do is tear down the statues. The way these clowns try to apply failed 200 year old social policies to the modern world is a study in how Dummy Students will emulate Dummy Professors, even when any fair reading of the obvious would reveal that they are poorly skilled folks badly misreading the situation.

 

In that respect "progressives" are exactly like the jihadists in the Taliban, the Islamic State and al Qaeda.

Two peas in the totalitarian pod...

 

No one can erase history. History is logged in countless sources. Taking down a statue, does not erase history. Taking names off a schools does not erase history. While I think taking down statues or names off buildings is silly and not needed, doing so will in fact NOT change history.

 

Your comment reminds me of one of the passages in Doctor Zhivago that got Boris Pasternak in trouble with the Soviet authorities, who banned his book, vilified him in public and shipped his mistress off to Lubyanka. Even though this passage contains the theme of the book - Man is born to live - this conversation never made it into David Lean's movie (I'll leave it to others to ponder why):

Lara Guishar: You've changed, you know. You used to speak more calmly about the revolution , you were less harsh about it.

Yuri Zhivago: The point is, Larissa Fyodorovna, there are limits to everything. In all this time something definite should have been achieved. But it turns out that those who inspired the revolution aren't at home in anything except change and turmoil: that's their native element; they aren't happy with anything that's less than on a world scale. For them, transitional periods, worlds in the making, are an end in themselves. They aren't trained for anything else, they don't know about anything except that. And do you know why there is this incessant whirl of never-ending preparations? It's because they haven't any real capabilities, they are ungifted. Man is born to live, not to prepare for life. Life itself - the gift of life - is such a breathtakingly serious thing! Why substitute this childish harlequinade of adolescent fantasies, these schoolboy escapades?

 

The problem you describe with revolutions is a common one. "Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss" ~The Who.

One modern exception has been Vietnam. Reading through Kissinger's account of trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement with the North Vietnamese, he talks about the problem he encountered in that they had never known peace, so they were uninterested in making concessions in order to get it, because it wasn't something they had ever experienced, so they did not miss it. They had known nothing but war and were fine with continuing it rather than settling short of their goals. If we put them existentially at risk, which did when we finally bombed North Vietnam, they would come to the table to talk. The domestic political price was so high with our anti-war movement, that we stopped the bombing as soon as they started negotiating, but when the bombing stopped, they stopped negotiating. He described the same thing when we finally bombed the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos and Cambodia.

So our expectation was that with no history of peace they would never know peace, even when it was up to them, but they have. They whipped the Japanese (with our help, which they won't admit), then the French, then the US and even threw out China when they invaded, and once they established to everyone that if necessary they would fight, and it wouldn't be fun for whoever decided to fight with them, they settled down, went to work, realized that Socialism wasn't the best economic system, so they added private property rights to at least some extent and their economy has been growing like mad for a couple decades. They remain a communist country, though their own style, and the relationship between the government and the people seems a very good fit.

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Marxism went out of business a while ago. Why are we the only modern country without a living wage healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training an ID card to end illegal immigration great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich more like their fair share? Pure misinformation and the GOP base. Canada is not Marxist for crying out loud.

 

That is communism not socialism as understood everywhere but English speaking conservative world...

 

Marxism is not out of business, it just comes in various degrees and nuances but still with basic Marxism at the core. Our progressiveness movement was started in the 1900s as a direct consequence of classic Marxism, and while American progressives have wavered around a bit from heavy Marxism-like to not so much Marxism to now returning to stronger Marxism-like as they smell opportunity and possibilities, it is still basic Marxism. You have to look at the characteristics of the movement to assess its true character. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck even if it calls itself a rooster. One characteristic of Marxism is the destruction of the past history and institutions; one specific example is the destruction of honorariums and statutes. Currently it started with the kinda acceptable destruction of things Confederate. That then opened the opportunity to get rid of things named after Lincoln and Washington for instance. Currently, and more significantly, there is an open unabashed attack on the Constitution, accompanied with attention diverting rationalization of course. By any other name this is all classic Marxism.

In response to your why are we not ......blah, blah, blah ...., I ask why are we by far and away the most successful, powerful, tolerant, and charitable country with the greatest allowance for individual liberty, and the highest economic achievement and well being of the average citizen than any other country in history.

 

Pure garbage propaganda..... After 30 years of GOP propaganda and giveaway tax rates to the rich, we have the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and the worst in the modern world now by far. It's time to catch back up to the rest of the modern world. Of course with our natural resources we have an advantage over all them.

 

Talk about pure garbage......

 

No its not.

 

Won't change actual history, but when history is forgotten, removed, or altered in teaching materials, actual history ceases to impact the future.

 

So you think all of the cataloged history is going to somehow magically be removed or altered? Nonsense.

 

The catalogued history won't be "magically" removed. However, as generations go by, it is natural that later generations become more and more disconnected from the increasingly distant past, to the point that much of history is not known, and hence forgotten. When the powers that be choose what is in the learning materials of our children, they can hasten the process, and even change the viewpoints about those past events. it has always been that way and always will be.

 

The biggest problem I see with the way history is being taught today is that it's not being taught as history. Take in point the subject of slavery. By today's standards and for many years gone by slavery is illegal and wrong. In the time slaves were owned it was acceptable to a lot and that's what it was. Looking back now the massacre of thousands of Indians was atrocious to say the least but was acceptable in the time. Hindsight is 20/20. Predicting the future is impossible. You shouldn't judge history on present and future standards.

 

So you're complaining that "the left's crazed revolution attacks everything and everyone". But your "evidence" is a situation in which you claim the San Francisco school board, which can hardly be legitimately called "left", is doing things you don't like. So move out of San Francisco if you don't like it!! How many times have you advised workers to find a better job if they don't like what they're paid?

And then, still without bothering to show any evidence, you declare it to be a "revolution" that "continues to devour all before it".

Hysteria much? And you meanwhile ignore the extremely radical deeds of the trump administration and the insurgents who tried to take over the Capitol and kill politicians! No one will accuse you of being objective and balanced.

So how far "left" has all this taken us now? Notice that the right wing extremists are now so brazen and feel so safe that they openly announce their racist, fascist preferences like @Talon who replied to you with an avatar advertising his agreement with and his endorsement of racism, white supremacy, and fascism.

Your objections to "left" politics is not just weak, but unsupportable and lacking validity.

 

"Predicting the future is impossible," is not entirely correct. It's cause and effect. People who are capable of recognizing reality and can successfully predict the broad cause and effect are more capable of "predicting the future" than others. In part, this is why two different people can work equally hard, with one being successful and the other not. The ability for us to "anticipate the future" is a chief difference between human beings and other animals. Slavery, for example, filled a low cost labor need, particularly in the south, due to its type of agricultural economy and climate. White Europeans were more inclined to immigrate to the North American colonies from their mother countries than people from the Southern hemispheres. At the time of the Revolution, the Southern plantation society and King Cotton, resulted in a colonial society with more wealth in the South than in the North...but with a smaller voting population (white males owning property). The North was primarily a culture of small farmers with a more widely distribution of income and wealth. The idea of individual sovereignty came (IMO) from the religious Reformation, in turn inspired by the invention of the printing press and growing literacy. Individual sovereignty and Protestantism led to the end of slavery, first in Europe and then in the colonial North (and to a lesser extent, the South). Since slavery was the basis of the Southern economy, its end would have destroyed the foundation of Southern elites...ergo the Civil War.

 

Predicting the future is impossible. Probability is not certainty. Can you say for certain the sun will rise tomorrow? There is a hire than 99.999999% probability the answer is yes but it's not and absolute certainty. My point about slavery was that there were very great people in our history that owned slaves that now are considered rotten people by some for doing something that neither illegal or immoral at the time.

 

You could "probably" successfully plan the next day in anticipation of the sun rising. You're right, there is NOTHING that is certain (except maybe the old saying about death and taxes). All is probability and some are better than others in calculating that probability. When my children began their university studies, I offered to help with their finances, telling them they could study whatever they wanted and asked in return they all take two courses, one in logic (which tells you how to think and improves your ability to recognize reality) and one in statistics (which teaches you how to calculate the odds of your predictions of tomorrow coming true)
Or..."The race may not always go to the swift nor the victory to the strong, but that's how you bet." Damon Runyon

 

Yes, it is. As I said if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

And those same folks are buying products TODAY made by slave labor. Maybe they should look in the mirror and see what can be improved rather that sitting in judgment on those in the past.

Maybe it's time we stopped criticizing each other and said something positive for once.

100% Certain Sun Will Rise Tomorrow.​