39% of republicans say political violence may be necessary!

All this high and mighty talk from repubs on this forum about 'antifa' as if democrats are raving maniacs

I've been a democrat all my life and I do not know anyone from Antifa, and they are not welcome in my house, if they advocate damaging property and setting fires, looting, and so forth, and every democrat I know feels precisely the same way about it.

But, when surveyed, 39% of republicans think violence may be necessary?

Now that's scary.

https://www.newsweek.com/thirty-nin...rt-americans-using-political-violence-1568624

Nearly four in 10 Republicans believe that political violence may be necessary if elected leaders fail to act, new polling results show.

Hundreds of former President Donald Trump's supporters violently attacked the U.S. Capitol on January 6 after Trump said they needed to "fight like hell" to keep him in power. The ex-president and many of his GOP allies had pushed the baseless conspiracy theory that President Joe Biden won the election through widespread voter fraud, which many of his supporters believed.

While some Republican leaders have attempted to distance themselves from the pro-Trump rioters and the former president, polls suggest the GOP base may be more closely aligned with this fringe of the party than they admit.


But, to be fair, the poll showed

17% of dems approved

31% of independents approved.

So, dems less than half as scary as repubs.

 

This line is the one that I find scary:

Another recent poll, by CBS News/YouGov, showed that most Republicans appear to be more loyal to Trump than they are to the GOP. The survey found that 70 percent of Republicans would join or consider joining a new political party if Trump formed one. Slightly more (71 percent) of Republicans said that GOP lawmakers voting to impeach or convict Trump for helping to incite the insurrection are "disloyal."
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It is this that can wind up bringing down the GOP for good. This is untenable for any political party to have this blind devotion to one man, compounded by the fact that Rump is a failure.

It will be interesting to watch what happens at CPAC.

 

That kind of blind allegiance is psychotic.

 

Sorry Mate - but the OP is just lost. It starts with the assumed premise 1) that there is never a time when taking up arms against the state is justified - which is unsupported and therefore a fallacy - but we will get to that later

and 2) goes on some convoluted generalization of the capital incident onto all Republicans - and claiming they are more scary than Dems on this basis.

Dems are far more scary -- they just hide it better - and the fact that so many folks are thinking acts of violence is justified is troubling .. given that that Gov't has been wandering far down the path of illegitimacy.

 

Ah yes the old "they hide it better" trick.

 

The other 61% think violence is necessary

 

They don't hide it that well .. only from those easily fooled and/or unaware and just don't care ..

 

That is disturbing. Perhaps it's a sign of growing anger as a result of being threatened by the Democrats in Congress? You know, the whole "re-education" camps and referring to Trump supporters as a cult and, my personal favorite: "domestic terrorists" and so forth. Dehumanizing rhetoric has NO place in politics and when it becomes common, history makes it clear what is just down the road unless it is resisted. I think ALL Americans need to take a deep breath and walk away from the hysteria the media has been pushing for 5 years. The only sure outcome if we continue this is that NO American will benefit or be better off in any way.

 

It's up to the Republicans, especially the RINO class, to decide if they are willing to listen to the desires of their constituents or not. Your mockery of tens of millions of other Americans is duly noted. You folks have listened to the media and your party leaders, but I repeat myself, for years and are convinced that millions of Americans are somehow delusional or hate-filled or part of some cult. That makes ignoring reality simpler but it doesn't do anything positive for the nation.
P'raps you might spend a little less time spewing vitriol and a little more, trying to grasp WHY a populist beat all the odds to win in 2016? The pattern for your party seems to be a focus on simply rejecting the other half of American voters and their input for our future. You wouldn't accept anything like that being dictated to YOU, yet you seem quite sanguine with the idea of doing EXACTLY that to Trump supporters. Hypocrisy is ugly no matter who engages in it.

 

Yep, it couldn't possibly be that there's nothing there.

 

Nothing where ?.. do you have something to say .. or just like whispering sweet nothings to yourself

 

yes. the government : the trump administration, the repub senate, and the federalist courts have wandered far down the path of illegitimacy. that is why we were able to get over 80 million voters to show up last november.

 

Had wandered far down that path long before Carrot top took the stage - Trump continued - and Biden is off to a great start down the dark path.

 

The statement to which they agreed in the poll was: "If elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions." (its telling that you neglected to include this context in your OP).

Protect America from what? The question is nonspecific. In such a broad sense, I personally would've hoped to see agreement closer to 100%.

I'm reminded of the words of the great JFK which share a similar sentiment:
"Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Sounds to me like dems are only half as willing to preserve freedom as pubs... and the country as a whole isn't even half willing. Sad days.

 

Trump exremists are part of a cult. They are domestic terrorists, and they are indeed hate filled and very racist.

 

Oh, I'm QUITE sure the ACTUAL statement was "neglected" from inclusion EXACTLY because of "CONTEXT"....big surprise, huh?

 

I find when it comes to polls it's all about the wording of the question being responded to. In this case it's......."If elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions."

Protect America from whom or what? A foreign invasion? A domestic enemy? An authoritarian like Trump who did fail to protect America? The premise being our leaders have refused to or are in some way incapable of acting so "protecting America" is up to us.

 

There are passionate Trump supporters who are racists and domestic terrorists, but not every passionate Trump supporter is.

 

I put no value in the poll but i will suggest a couple of things. Many conservatives fail to understand that atifa is not partisan. It is fascist group trying to do away with government. It doesn't care at all about political parties. It is the enemy of the entire nation.

Having said that, I believe some violence (I don't understand the term political violence) is probably indicated on the part of police. You can't talk antifa out of their mission any better than you can talk gang bangers out of membership in their gang. Force is a negative in society but it is the appropriate way to deal with force. When a group goes to war with you, it is appropriate to respond in a warlike manner. If I were in such a poll, I would be one of the 39%

 

Can the 140 House Repubs who voted to overturn the results of the presidential election be talked in to respecting the will of the people?

 

Republicans are choosing to embrace reactionary tactics.

Priceless...

 

I don't think you can talk politicians out of holding the partisan line on either side of the aisle. The exceptions to that are small.

 

Voting to reject the outcome of the election, dismissing the will of the majority of voting Americans, is "holding the partisan line?" I submit it is basing your vote on a lie.

 

Yeah, a variation on the old 'well, everyone is evil, corrupt, criminal , yadda yadda '
( so isn't so bad our guy is a raving criminal loon) trick.

 

Thread title is misleading. The statement they claim people agreed with with was: "If elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions." However, the majority (60 percent) of Republicans said they opposed the idea.

Another example of how profound levels of gullibility allow such claims to be eagerly consumed as fact.