Sick and Tired of attacks on Police and Gays pushed into our faces

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't speak for other people, but my guess would be because its a narrative that has no facts to back it up. More white people are killed by cops, END OF STORY.
    When you can't prove a point wrong with facts, you need to talk about delicious candy coated chocolate because M&Ms are awesome!
     
  2. Daniel Light

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    There are far more white people living in the US than black people, so it would be really strange if more white people weren't
    killed by cops. It's the fact that the numbers are so close given the vast difference in population ratios that
    has some people concerned.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you really want to get mathematical? You got 12% of the population committing the MAJORITY of the crimes and yet, more white people are shot by cops. Go ahead, present your math, I DARE YOU
     
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    It actually does. The NJ police were getting hammered and there were shouts of systemic racism and people claiming that the police were stopping blacks at a much higher rate than the population number would suggest. Turns out that it wasn't systemic racism at all but just a propensity to speed. Why does that not suggest that other perceived conclusions might also be flawed? Simply because you don't like the outcome? It's not very scientific to throw away data simply because it doesn't fit a preconceived conclusion.
     
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    It doesn't mean much now, is what I was saying. That was 20 years ago. Doesn't mean blacks are still speeding in NJ.
     
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    I agree with you. I think that the answer is the ick factor which is also a normal reaction. People just need to learn to get over it or turn it off.
     
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    You are correct, but do you think that something has changed that would alter that study? I would like to see it done again and maybe in more locations. It's interesting data that goes against conventional thinking. It's just too politically incorrect for anyone to take it on.
     
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    The video in the link contains a news report that includes photos of the property. I personally struggle with these stories because appraisals are pretty subjective anyway so it is not clear who is the outlier here with 2 in the low range and 1 in the high range. I personally have trouble seeing an extra $100K in value found in that house based on the photos TBH. Looks like a shingle sided older 3 bedroom home on a half acre lot. Her complaint seems to be focused around which properties were used as comps in determining the value of her house.

    Anyway, a co-worker had her house appraiser knock off $15K because the main bathroom has pink tile. He lowered the value by the cost of an entire bathroom gut job just based on the tile. I do believe that blacks are getting the short end of the stick in real estate still, but I just have trouble seeing $100K in this case.
     
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    I dunno. It is interesting. Why people drive the way they do can be puzzling. The state and locality has a lot to do with it as well. We're allowed a bit of leeway on our highways which are already very speed oriented with 80 mph limits outside the city. The fast lane through town travels at about 80 in a 65, while everybody does 90 on the long 80 limit stretches. It's very permissive and convenient. I guess the legacy of once not having a speed limit lives on in NV.

    I would be interested in the reasoning behind blacks speeding, even if only in NJ in 2002. I'd also like to know why morons get on the freeway at 30 mph.
     
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    By the location depicted in the video, I looked up the location on Zillow. Most of the houses in that neighborhood are around $85k. I see no way that you could get an appraisal $100k higher than even $0
     

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    They also do fifty percent of the crime and most of it is against black people. Don't African Americans deserve police protection from the criminals among them?
     
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    Because the ENTIRE ARGUMENT has been that it’s not equitable and minorities were underrepresented while whites were overrepresented and so it needed to be fixed to be more equitable.

    Now it’s not equitable because minorities are OVERrepresented and whites are underrepresented.

    But now all of a sudden it doesn’t need to be more equitable. Gee I wonder why the **** that is? Could it be because the whole equity argument is nothing but high minded bullshit put in place to obfuscate their BLATANT and unapologetic racism and bigotry against straight whites?
     
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    I wouldn’t hold my breath.
     
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    So you're angry because straight whites only have 80% of the acting roles because they used to have 90% ... awww, bless
    your heart, you really do have that classic Christian victim thing going, don't you.

    For 80 years, white actors had the stage mainly to themselves, and you can't just handle for a few years that minorities
    might have a slight edge ... woe is you.

    Isn't it "equitable" if white actors have had the overwhelming advantage in something for decades, that they pendulum swing A LITTLE the other way for
    a few years?
     
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    I have to pay extra taxes so their organizations don’t have to pay any tax while they are still pushing for laws that prevent people from free exercise. Why should I not be allowed to buy a beer because some religious fascist doesn’t want me to?

    Living in a society that means we must pay for things we do not like. To answer your question, absolutely.
     
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    Here's a little math.
    During a 29 year study of police shootings, there were ten instances where police officers were mistaken for civilians and
    shot by their co-workers ... 8 of the ten officers were black despite the fact that 75% of all police officers over this
    29 year study were white. Gives you something to think about, doesn't it.
     
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    ShadowX's link did not work out for him as he hoped :)
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It does give me something to think about considering its an entirely different topic. Now back on track. Why no comment about the crime statistics?
     
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    You mean the statistic that 90% of Black Americans have never been involved in a violent crime?
    Or the one where the majority of mass shootings are conducted by white perpetrators? Something like that?
     
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    That's the point. Recently, this year, 25% of the show you watch has gays or police brutality in their programs. Stop pushing their grossness in our faces. Police and action shows should know that they are mostly watched by conservatives. Well, we will stop watching. There goes their incomes.
     
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    While I agree with you that they should not be allowed to push any laws based on some religious notion, I don't see how you are paying extra taxes. What tax money do you believe Churches are using that would require you to pay more taxes? It's actually probably less since churches take care of some portion of the poor community that taxes would have to cover if the churches weren't doing that.
     
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    Mass shootings make up a very small portion of violent crime. Numbers matter, and tell their story.
     
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    Black Americans who have been involved in violent crime is less than 10% of the Black American population - but racists
    try and make it seem as if it involves all black people ...
     
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    I do not advocate for churches not existing, I just believe they should have to qualify their deductions like all other non-profits. Religious entities are the only one in the US that are automatically exempt, and that is why these mega churches with private jets exist.
     
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    That's not true but it really doesn't matter because anything that anyone would say, with any amount of proof, would simply be ignored.
    Study after study has found that blacks commit violent crime at a much, much higher rated than their white counterparts. Blame that on racism, poverty, culture, or whatever else you want. Those are simply the facts. 10% is a huge number so even you seem to be over-estimating (racism?). The actual number is somewhere around 0.8% For whites, somewhere around 0.3%
     

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