Christianity and Homosexuality

Yes, I believe he did as well. He talks about how difficult it was to stave off the reprobate mind (the thorn in his side) and keep the laws and commandments of God. In which he did. Therefore, so can anyone else who by his or her environment also stave off the sinful temptation of homosexual acts. I know many who have done so. Some married and most did not.

 

Is the Bible clear about at what point two people become 'married?'

 

Not just homosexuality - Paul was a Puritan - Celibacy - didn't like Women much - thought them lower status than men who should keep silent and not be in positions of authority over men or teach men.

What is this nonsense about Paul keeping Jewish Law ? Paul was against Jewish Law.

and why should Homosexuals not pair up with Homosexuals .. the way God intended ?

 

The Bible never says that men are more skilled than women. https://www.gotquestions.org/women-preachers.html

 

No, you said, "intercourse is natural. Analcourse is not. Neither is oral sex." So surely you're applying that to heterosexuals too. So again, define "natural" in this context.

Not what I was asking. Can you support your claim that masturbation "leads to homosexual behavior in some?"

Birth control isn't natural though is it?

And that means that non-Christians USE the moral compass of Christ?

Then why did you say "for homosexuals to perform unnatural sexual acts, they must go from moral behavior to unnatural instinctual behavior?"

 

So you don't believe in Genesis?

How do you know?

 

This is a homosexuality-related thread.

 

Heterosexuality outside of marriage is not moral or natural.

 

Right .. so what is the issue you wanted to discuss in relation to homosexuality

 

Quit posting from those garbage web sites run by the minions of snakes. This is not about "skills" - this is about Paul's claims that women are inferior to men .. saying women should be silent and not be teachers of men.

 

Yes. Adam and Eve to start with. Do you see two men or 2 women that are married? Nope. At least not unless they are committing vile sins.

 

Yes. Adam and Eve to start with. Do you see two men or 2 women that are married? Nope. At least not unless they are committing vile sins.

Because the heavens are no longer closed. God is speaking again through prophets from 1820 to the present and we have more information and a new and everlasting covenant of marriage.

 

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God did not want homosexuals to pair up. He wanted and still wants them to stop sinning and go celibate.
Your idea that Paul didn't like women is wok crap. Paul did what the Father and Son wanted to build up the kingdom of God on the earth (Church). He fought against apostates and false doctrines.

 

Yeah, well no one gives a **** what your fake god may or may not want, and they don't give a **** about your opinion neither. People are going to get laid whether you like it or not.

 

Moral behavior is natural. Unnatural is then logically not instinctual. It's learned behavior.

 

At first the argument in America against homosexuality wasn't an issue of religion. It was an issue of conscience. The religious right became involved in the debate because they figured that if they invoked God the movement would acquiesce. They figured wrong. Then the movement latched onto the religious angle and made it an issue of freedom from religion. In so doing, they effectively buried the matter of conscience. The truth is that homosexuality remains a perversion. Children and mockingbirds are gay. And city life and country life are alternate lifestyles. The sophistry of affixing pretty words to an unconscionable act does not change its basic character. To do so is wicked.

 

Well, no one gives a **** what your opinion is. People will sin no matter what as none of us are perfect. What's key is who will repent of their sins. Obviously those with egos and prideful hearts won't.

 

I agree with the latter part of your perfect words. The first part, no. People escaped Europe because they were not able to practice their religions. So, the people in America were originally religious and taught homosexuality was a perversion. And, the concept of conscience is based on The Light of Christ.

 

I was thinking along the lines of the homosexual movement and debate which began and gained steam over the last fifty or so years. I agree that conscience is the light of Christ. We all essentially have one regardless of whether we are religious or not. And while it is the way anyone gropes their way thru the dark eventually to God or Christ.... most people do not see the connection during the process from point A to point B They just know right from wrong in their immediate situation, like a small light in a big dark forest. Which is why I think the issue of homosexuality in the seventies, like any other aberration, was more an issue of conscience than religion, at least in my neck of the woods. But yes, all good values and matters of conscience, if we hold fast to it, eventually bring us to Gods feet I believe. At that point I suppose that rather than to thank God for all the blessings in our lives, we instead set that aside and marvel to thank God for who he is. And then realize that we love him because he has loved us first and bared so much for our uselessness to him aside from his pleasure in our betterment and salvation. Who does such a thing.

 

Everyone knows that homosexuality and living together before marriage is wrong. If living together before marriage isn't wrong and marriage is a piece of paper, why do people divorce instead of living apart?

 

There have been many studies done on the subject of how people ended up in homosexual relationships. In studies in the 1930's and to the 1980's, the vast majority said their environment was the biggest contributor. More than would like to admit I believe were victims of sexual abuse whether male or female. Especially male. Etched in their minds, they attempt to lessen the pain by participating in the act more and more until they have the reprobate mind.

 

Are you speaking for God now ? - putting words in his mouth - usurping the position of "The Logos" .. or did God communicate this to you directly .. making you a new Prophet ..

 

Well you seemed to suggest that there is a conflict between Jesus and Paul regarding homosexuality. You've made it clear that you weren't suggesting that.

 

Women are inferior to men in some ways, and men are inferior to women in some ways. Simple!

 

To a simpleton perhaps .. but regardless - there is a difference between stating "Women are inferior" and claiming "God says women are inferior" ..