Data suggests third dose of COVID-19 vaccine 'strongly' boosts Delta variant protection

There are 35,000 symptomatic cases per week among vaccinated people in the United States that now averages 78,433 cases per day or 549,031 per week. The reported 35,000 cases are 6.4% of all cases.



What we don't know is how many vaccinated and unvaccinated people attended these events:

"The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias. Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions. MA DPH, CDC, and affected jurisdictions are collaborating in this response; MA DPH is conducting additional case investigations, obtaining samples for genomic sequencing, and linking case information with laboratory data and vaccination history. Finally, Ct values obtained with SARS-CoV-2 qualitative RT-PCR diagnostic tests might provide a crude correlation to the amount of virus present in a sample and can also be affected by factors other than viral load. Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar. However, microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings.

Event organizers and local health jurisdictions should continually assess the need for additional measures, including limiting capacity at gatherings or event postponement, based on current rates of COVID-19 transmission, population vaccination coverage, and other factors. On July 27, CDC released recommendations that all persons, including those who are fully vaccinated, should wear masks in indoor public settings in areas where COVID-19 transmission is high or substantial. Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status, given the potential risk of infection during attendance at large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of transmission."​

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7031e2-H.pdf

And a Washington Post story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/

 

I addressed the issues with CDC reports here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/data-suggests-third-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-strongly-boosts-delta-variant-protection.590441/page-4#post-1072819493

I'm not "pushing a policy," so you might ease back in your saddle.

 

Do you have anything useful to contribute? It doesn't seem so.

 

Such tripe appeals to the mindset of conspiracy theorists. They rarely have formal training in science, or more broadly in rational thinking, yet they entertain a penchant for the extremes.
People who believe in conspiracy theories display a cognitive bias known as the jumping-to-conclusions bias that is commonly observed in schizophrenia patients.

 

New reports the Gamma variant spreads as easily among the vaccinated as the alpha variant does through the unvaccinated.

The vaccines are built on information provided by China.

Tennessee Experiences 27 Deaths in More Than 1,000 ‘Breakthrough’ Cases Among Vaccinated Individuals

https://tennesseestar.com/2021/07/2...akthrough-cases-among-vaccinated-individuals/

Looks like the end of the vaccine effectiveness to me.

 

And I can tell the goverment to kiss my white cracker ass, how bout that?

 

Probably about half.

 

H1N1 is/was an Influenza A virus—not a coronavirus.

 

It’s because the “experts” are (again) not giving people accurate information. When they give a number, say 70%, of people who need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity they fail to explain that’s an average for the country. They don’t tell you that means it’s probably 90% in places like MA, NY and NJ and 50-60% in places like Wyoming or North Dakota.

Based on the same principles of epidemiology as the above, they also fail to explain the chances of a vaccinated person becoming infected in NY, NJ and MA are much higher than for a vaccinated person in WY or ND to become infected.

 

We're all conspiracy theorists sir. You believe the theory that a bat and a pangolin met in a bar, and the result was Covid 19. Most likely you believe a large number of conspiracy theories advanced by government and the corporate world, and likely you never examine the facts and evidence surrounding those official conspiracy theories.

I learned back in the 70's that the US government, most governments for that matter, is as mendacious as they come. Government weaves webs of deception. Some folks are not even aware of that tendency of government.

 

Do you think it's important that they explain these details, though? Complex messages get confusing quickly, we are seeing that in Australia now. Granted they will allocate different rules between cities and country given the (always) lower prevalence in country towns. However explaining themselves and justifying at every step can get people easily riled up if not handled carefully.

 

I always err on the side of giving people information that can save their life. I think it’s important for someone in MA who’s vaccinated to understand their social behavior still matters greatly to their chances of being infected. I think it’s important people understand being obese increases your chance of infection vaccinated or unvaccinated. I think it’s important if we are going to go back to masking as a mitigation we tell people what places wearing a mask would be most effective at preventing infection of individuals and of decreasing secondary attack rates. I think it’s important to tell people masks that protect the wearer are readily available and far more important than “just wearing any mask”.

I think we’ve tried dishonesty and withholding information for a year and a half with poor results. I’d like to try the truth for a while. Then at least those who are willing to protect themselves and their families have the knowledge to do so. I’m convinced giving individuals correct information is preferable to giving the collective misinformation.

I do realize I am a minority of one in this regard however.

 

Speak for yourself, I don't live on Bizarro world in the conspiracy universe.

 

It appears Pfizer has some data. It is easy enough for them to measure changes in antibodies from two injections to a third. If only we could treat the hysteria as effectively as we treat the virus.

 

Count me in as well. The masks that people use made of paper or cloth aren't effective at block transmission. Viruses are small enough to go right through them or around them. The N95 respirator masks have some effectiveness but the bottom line is masks aren't the answer to controlling the virus. Vaccines are. I think the medical community is pretty much 100% on this. We have been misinformed from the beginning by government.

For some reason this virus has been met with more hysteria than virtually all the others. It has a death rate similar to influenza and the contagion of other viruses and yet we don't deal with them like we do the other viruses. The answer for fixing the hysteria is vaccination.

 

Anyone getting these experimental treatments should be fully informed before making a decision. For instance all government tells you is they are safe. They don’t tell you the possible downside like ADE or cancer.

ADE which was experienced with feline trials and this type of treatment.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-progra...y/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines

I am starting to wonder if this is why we are seeing the increase in the vaccinated getting infected.

 

No they should not. These are opinions not backed by science.

I'm not aware of anything like this reported from human infections. No science.

No need to wonder. We have a more contagious variant. This virus behaves like all the other corona viruses. That is why we see different strains of flu each year, for example. I imagine they are working on a new vaccine for the new variant, but in the meantime, almost no vaccinated people are facing hospital or death. The medical communit is unanimous in recommend the vaccines.

 

One wonders what we are being told.


Tennessee Experiences 27 Deaths in More Than 1,000 ‘Breakthrough’ Cases Among Vaccinated Individuals


https://tennesseestar.com/2021/07/2...akthrough-cases-among-vaccinated-individuals/

 

Yes we were told when masks would have been most effective we didn’t need them. Then during the entirety of the pandemic we were told homemade masks were as effective as N95 masks. We were told masks are to protect others, not the wearer, but a properly worn N95 does indeed protect the wearer quite well. But it has to be on someone’s face, not gathering dust in a warehouse of a domestic manufacturer who made it for the pandemic but can’t sell it because our “experts” keep telling people not to use them.

This is why people are skeptical of the vaccines. They see no reason to believe these quacks that lied their way through the pandemic.

There are other tools besides the vaccines to address infection hotspots and breakthrough infections, but no interest in fully utilizing them.

That said the vaccines are our best bet at this point.

I’m afraid if everyone was vaccinated the hysteria would remain (but not everyone will be vaccinated). This is a virus that isn’t “going away” no matter who the president is. I’ve been telling people since last spring herd immunity is not zero cases or eradication of the pathogen. We are going to have to live with it.

 

My Wife and I have had our two Pfizer shots. If a third is recommended, it will be easy enough to get at our local Pharmacy. And it's free! Eleven times the protection from a third dose has a ring to it.

 

I don't believe humanity has succeeding in wiping out any of the corona viruses. I see no logical reason that we will eliminate this one either. That, to me, is the biggest lie from government. None of my doctors think covid will go away. They believe it will degraded and become seasonal. I'm not sure why MD's in government turn political and abandon their science. But it isn't a good look.

 

Oh but you do. Anybody that buys into the outrageous claims of Fauci and the Medical Industrial Complex without asking any questions is very much buying into conspiracy theory. I prefer to describe them as tithe paying members of the Church of The Poisoned Mind.

 

Here is a UK doctor comparing the US, Israel, and the UK.

 

Yes, you're in the minority. Our CDC equivalent was recommending virtually any facial covering, including a bandana and scarf. My theory is that the simple wearing of masks is thought to change people's behaviour which mitigates as much as the actual value of the mask. It gives a heightened awareness to their movements and also lets our less connected, less in touch or migrant communities know that "something is up" (when they see everyone wearing a mask). No doubt you've had these discussions before.

Trying the truth would be an interesting experiment, true

 

Yes, I’ve been referred to as anti mask, a pseudoscience purveyor, and worse for my posts on this issue going back over a year now. You can’t offend me, I’ve heard it all before!

I agree with the value in optics of mask wearing in certain cases like you describe. The problem is in the US it increased risky behavior so you had unprotected people practicing less social distancing. Of course this is not just my opinion. LOL







Now the more formal research.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82574-w

Pull quote:

“Results
We find evidence that masks are associated with risk compensation behavior and that Americans spend less time at home when living with a face mask mandate. Furthermore, we find weak evidence that Americans spend more time in moderate to high-risk locations following orders to wear masks. We also find evidence of distancing fatigue, but risk compensation results persist after accounting for distancing fatigue.”

Unfortunately in the US, good masks that are capable of protecting the wearer and others were recommended against even after we had millions of N95 masks sitting on warehouse shelves without buyers.

Recommendations for bandanas etc. make sense to attempt what you describe (social distancing/mindfulness) when better masks are not available. But recommendations against effective masks that are readily available nullifies any benefit and demonstrates public health is not top priority.