The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Just great! Even more illegal aliens trying to sneak into the country!

Well they can just go back to Proxima Centauri.

 

Government will need to build an illegal alien dome around Earth and they'll need to get in line like everyone else...

 

What do you think will be in the Pentagon report:

 

As I remember, the Navy report included the factual information they had - reports of witnesses, pictures, videos, etc.

I'd be pretty darn surprised if the Pentagon said anything at all about conclusions.

 

Pretty much of a draw:

 

I don't see a way to consider this a "draw".

An idea as stupendously fantastic as aliens flying around Earth requires very serious evidence.

When that evidence does not exist, THAT is a rejection as strong as any rejection could possibly be.

 

The report actually states there's no evidence of alien space craft in the material reviewed. Apart from that the only other definitive conclusion it contains is that if the objects being observed/recorded are actually real high performance craft of some sort as opposed to some of the other possible explanations like sensor ghosts, optical illusions, misidentified conventional aircraft or weather related etc then they are definitely not the property of the US DoD or related agencies.

So there's no 'win' in this report for UFO believers, nor did I expect there to be. And until such time as solid forensic evidence turns up (as opposed to blurry videos) there won't be.

 

It is probably futile. They would have to have far advanced technology and find us. Assuming no more fundamental breakthroughs in physics, we're pretty much stuck.

Of course, there's the mystery still of unifying quantum mechanics and relativity, so there could be a world of new science in that small gap.

 

I'd assume that the universe is infinite. Whether it is or it isn't, something is infinite.

Now then, the statement 'the statistics of planetary suitability are insuperable. We are alone." So says who, some guys who wrote a book?

Are they coming to this conclusion due to the astronomical number of factors that have to be in place for life to occur, a number so huge it appears to be 'insuperable'. ?

The fallacy of that reasoning is simple: All numbers compared to infinity are infinitesimally small.

So, compared to infinity, it's not a big number at all.

Thousands of people have been abducted. Almost all of them, if not all of them, tell the same story, and it is that aliens communicate via telepathy.

That they communicate via telepathy changes everything and all assumptions about communication are moot.

IF thousands of people claim to be abducted, and they were making this up, one would logically expect all sorts of wild and varied imaginative things about aliens.

But, the story is pretty much the same with all the abductees. They communicate via telepathy, there are the 'greys' ( 3 - 4 feet tall ) the taller greys ( 5 - 5' 6 or so ) tall the "Nordics" ( tall and blond and handsome/pretty ) and the "Mantids" ( very tall, 8 feet, looking like a praying mantis ) and the 'reptilians'.
You've no doubt heard something about 'shape-shifting reptilians' which is crazy, sounds absurd, but note, they don't actually change their forms, what they do is project a screen image into your mind that changes their appearance, so ti's just an illusion. Aliens have tremendous psychic powers. They can control us, with their minds. They are superior to humans.

Without variation, this is the story that thousands tell. Are they lying? I find it compelling that they are telling the same story. to wit:

1. they are abducted from their bed, or while driving down the road, in a rural area or desert, usually
2. They are placed on some kind of operating table in a space ship The experience for most is terrifying, but some find it pleasant.
3. They remove their clothing.
4. They perform some medical procedures, but the salient ones are, without variation:
A. Removal of sperm form males.
B. Removal of Ova from females.
C. Neurological exam/ spine.
5. They use this organic material in the creation of human/alien hybrid beings, and the incubatoriums have been witnessed by thousands.
5. They are returned to earth with clothing, but sometimes the aliens mix up the clothing, putting on clothing from another abductee by mistake, this has happened many times.

I know it's crazy, but what is interesting is the consistency of the story, from different peoples who do not know each over over a period of 40 years.
The devil is in the details, and when I researched this, it was the mundane, but consistent, details, across all the abductees descriptions, that gave me the idea that this was a real phenomenon.

Read the works of John Mack, Budd Hopkins and Dr. David Jacobs

Aliens have no intention of communicating to mankind in mass fashion.

Their mission is to create a alien/human/hybrid race and save their own race, and upgrade ours and save the planet that humans are bent on destroying. Apparenty earth is a jewel amongs the inhabited planets of alien races, and we have been a project of theirs for a long time.

The human/hybrids can speak both vocally and telepathically, and have psychic powers, they are an upgrade from homo sapiens.

they are highly advanced beings, and can 'download' the contents of our minds, via neurological engagement, a process described in the book, below.
Given that they can do that, they have knowledge of The Earth, they know all of our languages, they know all about us. Their minds move hundreds of times faster than ours. They can communicate to anyone in any language, language is not a barrier to their telepathic methods. But, when a hybrid is sent to Earth, he or she is assigned a human mentor to teach him or her how to be 'human'. They don't know, and have to be taught. That much can't be downloaded, for some reason, like how to talk to people in a post office, small stuff.

when it comes trying to understand motives of aliens, what their agenda is and why they are doing it, the above is an educated guess, based on my research, I could be wrong, entirely. No one really knows what the alien agenda is, and I would be very careful about anthropogenic projection upon them and their methods and reasons.

For more information, read Dr. David Jacobs "Walking Among Us".

No, I have no evidence for any of this, but the book is compelling, if you'd just read it.

 

You forgot to list anal probing and yes, it is - crazy. And after all those witnesses and procedures not one ounce of solid forensic evidence to back any of it up.

 

There is forensic evidence, you haven't researched this with that statement.

the important point was, yes, it sounds crazy, but with reports coming in from all over the world over a period of decades if they were making it up we'd expect a wild variety of descriptions of alien experiences, but that isn't the case and this includes a consistency of mundane details not written about in the press or on TV.

That is a compelling fact we can't ignore.

 

Is it possible to keep an open mind without being called crazy:

 

With all our incredible sensing technology that is in constant use, with the militaries of numerous states watching closely for anything of any kind out of the ordinary, not one single shred of evidence exists in favor of Earth being visited by aliens.

And, now you're touting all the fabulous things aliens do?

Seriously?

 

The evidence of that was destroyed for many years. I should know, I've linked to many sources in news articles and video media that were taken down shortly after I posted links to content on that kind of topic.

 

SETI is stupidity. Aliens do not communicate via 'radio', there are no radio signals. Even if there were, there is a synchronicity problem.

It's like this, when a race of intelligent beings pass a certain threshold, they develop the capacity for telepathy, and past that point, radio and anything similar becomes moot. So, let's hypotheticize, that an intelligent race develops, say, after 10k years, this faculty.

That means, if a planet is say, 100 million light years away from us, then that period of 10k years when they were transmitting via radio because they hadn't evolved past the need for radio, that 10k window 100 million light years ago has to be in sync with us currently. So, if that planet is 150 million light years away, we won't see any radio signals for another 50 million years, and when they approach us in sync, it will only be for a 10k year window, at which point we may be long past the need for radio ourselves, and into telepathy by then, and having discovered and conquered galactic travel by then, warping space/time, etc, and it's all a moot point at that juncture. The point being, factoring in the astronomical light year distances, we have to be in sync developmentally speaking, technologically speaking, and that's a narrow window. So, what are the odds of synchronicity out there, assuming there are any advanced alien planets transmitting radio at all? SETI assumes that radio will be used for millions of years on any planet, and that's stupid to even believe that.

Moroever, alien ships are abound on earth. hundreds of thousands of sightings, and naval officers are seeing them and admitting they see them.

No one is calling them aliens. Why? Because until the critters land and exit the ship, no one is going to say 'aliens'. They don't, and they probably have a damn good reason. They don't look like us, they freak us out, and we've been known to shoot at them.

But they sure as hell are thinking it (that the tic tocs are aliens). Watch the 60 minutes episode.



Definitive book on the subject ( audio book )

'Straight from the horse's mouth', as they say. Edward Ruppelt was the first head of the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book, the official project initiated to investigate UFO reports beginning in 1952. This report from 1956 takes us inside these initial investigations, separates fact from fiction, and gives insight into who, when, where, and how sightings were reported and researched in open-minded fashion (for which Ruppelt was renowned), rather than in the typical hushed and secretive (and censored) manner most often associated with government and military reports which are released to the public.Dozens of specific sightings are recounted, although hundreds more had come pouring into the agency during the period covered (and hundreds, if not thousands more that were never officially reported). Here we go inside the workings of Project Blue Book, which had evolved from 2 earlier Air Force projects, and we are witness to interviews, press conferences, Pentagon briefings, and many reports from civilian and military pilots, Air Traffic Controllers, office workers, farmers, and the man on the street who reported their accounts with UFOs. And not all sightings that were reported were restricted to the U.S.Although Project Blue Book would continue until 1969, here we witness an in-depth account from it's inception and it's earliest stages, the political obstacles, the houndings from the press, the overall confusion encountered during and following many of the sightings, and the near hysteria caused during the heyday of UFO sightings, and all from the man who headed up the project in it's earliest years. The second edition of Ruppelt's work was supplemented with 3 additional chapters which were added in 1960, and we are fortunate that they are included here. (Summary by Roger Melin)

 

I haven't claimed that there is no life in this universe. What I did claim is that we don't have evidence of having been visited.

The 60 minutes segment was a total travesty in that they included not one individual from science interested in describing the problems with the videos they showed. This segment was made for TV revenue - NOT for addressing the issues.

As fo our military, ooking to our armed forces for analysis of video captured by military planes is not going to yield anything, either. The reason is that the sensors used include classified technology and our military will not publish analysis of what those sensors are capable of - which is exactly what would be required. Beyond that, our military has absolutely zero to gain and a lot to lose by publishing ANY analysis of what they can or have been able to detect. Why would they describe the capabilities and application of our military detection technology to Russia and China? And, how would they get around the FACT that those capabilities are classified and that the classification gets inherited by any work derived from that classified analysis?

As civilians NOT covered by military clearance lets be careful about what we assume we got when the Navy published those videos along with NO analysis.

Beyond that, the idea that the Navy videos show alien craft has been debunked.

I'd point out that you make a startling leap when you not only claim to know there are aliens, but to know how they communicate - a method for which there is no evidence of existence.

 

In the infinite universe, this idea there isn't at least one planet with an advanced technological race who hasn't sought out other planets in the universe, particularly those who are like children playing with matches ( humans and the atom bomb ) is, to me, the implausible idea.

The only persons who claim there is no evidence that we haven't been visited are those who have done very little research into that point.

That you would make claims tells me you have very little curiosity on the subject.

Curiosity would have led you to study numerous sources, treatises, documents, all of which add up to a few years worth of study.

Then you wouldn't say that.

But, unless you have that kind of curiosity, you'll never travel on that journey that will lead you there.

You'll ask for ET to come down and introduce himself, or something close to it, which is NEVER going to happen, and then you'll just sit there and say there is no evidence.

I can take you to a place where you will have no choice to believe it based on a number of factors where a safe presumption can be made. But, that would take two things:

1. Tons of curiosity, patience.
2. Time.

You want ET to come down have introduce himself? Ain't going to happen, not now, not tomorrow, not ever. They operate clandestinely. they are highly intelligent, and they go out of their way to prevent humans from obtaining evidence on their existence.

 

Were proponents of alien visitations at all serious, if they had the patience and curiosity and time you say is required, then THEY would exclude the mountain of false claims.

Instead, those who promote this idea that aliens have visited are constantly presenting the world with "evidence" that is just absolute garbage.

Then, you and others tell me I have to personally wade through their ever growing mountains of total garbage in order prove a negative. Why should I respect THAT??
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I do believe there is merit in your comment about the possibility of sentient beings somewhere else in this universe. This universe is of such a size that it's difficult to accept that something that happened once (like life) never happened again in the entire history of the total universe.

But, the assumptions you are willing to make just don't work for me.


Here's a wild thought:

How much longer would it take for humans to create robotic spacecraft that could land somewhere and build replicas of itself to then launch in different directions, each with the capability of then building replicas somewhere else? A million years?

If we or some other civilization did that, at some point there would be spacecraft throughout our galaxy - even if we have to accept our physics!! And, the time required wouldn't be particularly significant given the lifetime of the galaxy.

So, assuming that some other civilization is so smart that they have transcended physics just isn't necessary.

Anyway, let's try to rely a little less on just dreaming up supernatural solutions and then using them in logical argument as if they are actually real.

 

Short version:

How come the expert PROPONENTS of alien visitation didn't come out and debunk the Navy videos?

They claim to be the experts. And, they were EASILY debunked.

 

Closer to home:

 

I finished reading this week a sci-fi book series called the Quantum series, by author Douglas Phillips. Highly entertaining. It's hard-core sci-fi with lots of scientific concepts from real life (and some that the author, a scientist himself, added as fiction). So, he uses discoveries from the CERN and Fermilab (real-life accelerators of sub-atomic particles) to predict in a fictional way, future discoveries that would add to the ability of manipulating quantum space and quantum dimensions.

The main (yes, fictional) concept of the series [spoiler alert], is that once more subatomic particles are discovered and their properties are studied, humankind finds a way to compress quantum space and transfer objects to distant points several thousand light years away, thus joining a galactic federation of civilizations whose main means of interstellar travel is based on the same principle.

If is found later in the 4th and final installment of the series [spoiler alert] that one of the space-faring civilizations is known to the other races as being space pilots of spacecraft that use this form of transportation, and these aliens have sent probes to Earth, to observe us (yes, tiny ships - no need for a mothership when you can jump through lightyears in seconds). They did not contact us, for reasons similar to the "prime directive" in the Star Trek TV series: that the ability to compress space and travel this way is sort of a hallmark of advanced civilizations worthy of joining the federation, but is not to be interfered with, so to gauge that ability as achieved spontaneously and independently by the civilizations being considered for membership.

Again, I know it's sci-fi, but I'm just saying, the argument that alien spacecraft cannot have visited us because of the huge interstellar distances, is only valid as far as our current science is considered. We don't know if other possibly existing civilizations have solved this problem using advanced physics that we haven't discovered yet. And the argument about why they haven't contacted us if they did visit us, is also relative. If they did (or do) visit us, they may have their reasons to remain silent (some of these reasons might be quite alien to us and hard to understand from a human standpoint).

So, yes, I keep an open mind. Who knows, maybe the aliens are out there, after all.

 

The debate probably won't end until we have a an actual alien in the flesh (or whatever else they're made of):

 

That certainly would be one form of evidence.

There are others, though. I would include verifiable communication.

The claim that we should discount everything we know about physics needs to come with very serious evidence.

And, debunked Navy videos and sci fi dreams don't even come close.

 

An 'everyperson' response to the report:

 

I'm not sure the scientists will want to touch this: