Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    The system isn't perfect. I have no problem with working to make it better. But, it is better than most.
     
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    No. Milley was reassuring his Chinese counterpart that despite the unrest they were worried about, our system of governance was still functioning and their fears were unfounded. If that situation changed, he'd let him know.
     
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    I don't like it.Keep in mind that We still haven't formally charged
    and went to trial the mastermind of 911.Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
    Nor put to death An actual American Army Major { Nidal Hasan }
    who killed 13 and wounded more than 30.Obama and AG Holder
    maintaining that they will not allow what he did to be termed
    { Islamic Domestic Terrorism }.
    Or how lenghty it was to come to the conclusion over what
    Bowe Bergdale pulled.He left his post while on guard.
    He deserted.A clear case of Desertion.
    He was allowed to keep his military pay while under arrest.
    This Military style Tribunal allowed him only a pat on the butt.
    Was dishonarably Discharged { very common course of discipline }
    made to pay a $1,ooo a month fine for 10 months and had his rank
    reduced.NO Further Prison Time.
     
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    I believe they called him or somehow conveyed to him their concern. Democrats went on record when they impeached him in the House and voted to convict him in the Senate.
     
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    That's not what the book says, nor what the administration confirmed. You are misinformed.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Um ... What do books say.? I mean,since when are Democrats ,lest of all
    Career politician Joe Biden concerned over book reading.They are arguably
    feverishly in a rush to Re-invent things more important than mere books.
    That's - Fahrenheit 451 - { Ray Bradbury } Territory.Or Fiction.
    We're talking about The most important part of being American.
    Living in america.Our Founding document.The Constitution.And our
    Bill of Rights.Democrats are hell-bent to alter,usurp and rearrange our
    Constitution.My Proof.They Tell Us.They even Brag about it.
    Virtually tickled-pink whenever it's brought up.
    So mush fer books ... huh.Or The Book.
    The Joke of the day.
    How is a Democrat Booked { arrested }.?
    They T'aint !
     
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    Maybe he hasn’t been brought up on charges because what he did has been reviewed by the military and deemed justified.

    An accusation like this, if it really has any truth to it has already been investigated.

    But we all do know that their are laws/rules in place that would allow this, if it did happen. I cannot imagine that we would be required to allow an unstable POTUS the ability to unilaterally launch ANY weapons without some sort of verification/validation from those around him, including our military leaders
     
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    Since your all about the constitution, then you could show us the rules/laws that give the POTUS unilateral right to launch a nuclear weapon

    Should be easy since your an internet lawyer
     
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    Ah ha...you think you're a poet...playing with stream of consciousness writing. "Dixon76710" was referencing a specific book and misquoting it. Try and pay attention.
     
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    If he listened to his advisors, they were terrible. He lost the election as an incumbent and he got impeached 2X.

    But trump negotiated with the Taliban instead of the Afghan Gov't. Meaning, he expected the Taliban to be in control.
     
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    Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

    It is not in the job description of JCS chief to worry about a president going rogue. Even protecting nuclear weapons is beyond his role. His role is to advise the president on military matters. The military is managed by the secretary of defense. The JCS chief isn't even in the chain of command.
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with you at all. I'm 'just sayin' that Gen. Milley SHOULD be made to face a court martial, and if he's found innocent, all well and good. And, if he's found guilty, then I want him stripped down to Private (E-1) and thrown into a military prison for the rest of his life (or something far worse).

    But, first (FIRST) charges must be brought, and there must (MUST) be a court martial... Geriatric Joe and his 'woke' stooges can't wriggle out of THIS one!
     
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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-niece-book-1.5646052

    Mary Trump KNOWS him PERSONALLY and does have the QUALIFICATIONS and ACCREDITATIONS to make that DISGNOSIS, Cy.
     
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    Yeah, Te, and it's very well known that she's had a "decades-old grudge" against her relative, Donald Trump....

    But my question was directed to Dr. Promise Hero, and I'd still like to know what his/her credentials are, and if he/she is someone with an "axe to grind" by pronouncing that Donald Trump is a "full blown psycho". As we have seen so often, it's easy for some anonymous person to blow around about things they know little, if anything, about. I've even done it myself on occasion! :)

    But, usually, and tell me if you disagree, I put forth positions and information backed-up with links to sources of information that most people on 'both sides of the aisle' tolerate, if not always agree with.

    You see the point, surely... I mean, ANY moron can stand up here and gush statements like, "Uh, Obama's an idiot!"... or... "Uh, Trump's an idiot!" Mere farts in the breeze....
     
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    Milley's involvement is via his position on the National Security Council and as the chief military advisor to the President. The question would be is the President compelled to use the NSC as part of his decision-making process? Milley had discovered at least one case wherein the President had made a significant military decision without consulting the NSC or himself...that of signing an Executive Order moving up the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Afghanistan from the May 1st Trump-Taliban Agreement to prior to Biden's inauguration, presumably because of political reasons which weren't anticipated at the time the agreement was signed. Upon discovery of the order, Milley and others went to the President and convinced him NOT to release the order. Biden later moved the date to September 11, 2021 and then back to August 31st.
    The Trump reaction to his election loss concerned many that he might launch a military action in order to declare the election invalid in a time of crisis, by again going around the NSC. Milley's telephone calls with his Chinese counterpart and Pelosi was to reassure both that such would not occur.
     
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    All within the purview of the role of president. It is fine to disagree with things like that but the president doesn't answer to the NSC or the JCS chief. It is the other way around.
     
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    The Potus is the one charged in determining when and if to go to war.
    So in that vein ... Joe Biden was in charge of The Mission to Leave
    The War in Afghanistan.So only a Potus can use the Red Phone to
    make the call to strike with a Nuclear weapon.Which means starting
    a Fail Safe countdown clock.
    Barack Obama could not be bothered to consult Congress
    when he decided to Invade Libya.Congress was waiting and calling on
    him to consult them.Obama blew it off.Just went ahead and did it.
    Struck Libya.Then the Irony creeps in.On the Night/day of the Benghazi
    attack Obama also refused help for our American Ambassador and
    helpers { CIA Officers and Foreign Service }.All 4 died in an excruciating
    final few hours on earth.Obama was briefed around 5 pm by Leon
    Panetta that night.All we were toild is that he retired early that night.
    While Ambassador Stevens was feverishly begging for help.
    Now Thy History.It can be lethal if one denies real History.
    Because learning from History is a History lesson all it's own.
    Democrats can't be bothered.They always have bigger fish to fry.
    Always coincidentally.
     
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    True...no one suggested otherwise, including Milley. Milley was part of the established process, via his membership on the NSC. He was, according to the book, reminding members of the National Military Control Center of their responsibilities to follow only lawful orders and of his own position in the decision-making process. Had Trump ordered a first strike against China (or another country), it would have been an illegal order, violating U.S. law (the War Powers Act) and international treaty commitments (the U.N. Charter). Allowing Trump to make such an order would have been a violation of the military's oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution.
    I expect most of this will be explained in the January 6th investigation.
     
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    Again as I previously posted.The first order of bidness is to Confirm.
    Yes,we have many willing to explain the role of a Top General of
    the Joint Chiefs of Staff.But Only the Commander-in-Chief can
    authorize or be consulted with talks of what to do with an Adversary
    by explaining to them some hyperbole as to what a Potus May do
    or is thinking.Especially if a word like " Crazy " or something similar
    is used in the phone call.
    Nothing being speculated or written about concerning what Woodward
    wrote in his book is good or capable of being downplayed.It's Huge.
    Massive.
    We need some Verification.Some Transcript.It's called the Swamp
    for a reason.In a Swamp clean water has trouble.A Swamp exists to
    make clean water dirty.
     
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    If Milley truly thought Trump would attack China, it is Milley needing to go get treated by a psychiatrist.
     
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    Milley should have stopped Biden ahead of Biden fleeing Afghanistan.
     
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    Then why to you try and fabricate history? We went into Libya at the request of our NATO allies, who had gone into Afghanistan with us. Our involvement was to provide air support for the Libyan revolutionists in eastern Libya to prevent their massacre by Khadaffi's forces attacking from the west. Air support required on the ground air controllers. On the ground air controllers required protection, which led to the insertion of special ops forces and possibly CIA arms support to the revolutionists. We then withdrew military support, but maintained a CIA mission in Benghazi for the purpose of collecting the weapons provided the revolutionists in Khadaffi's overthrow. Additionally, there was a rented "diplomatic facility" in Benghazi for use by the ambassador in visits to the city. He was there meeting with a Turkish diplomat and planning on attending a celebration of an American aid program the following day. Upon the break-out of violence in Cairo and elsewhere in the region, the Embassy in Tripoli asked him, via phone, if he wished to return to Tripoli that evening. He declined. No one refused him help. Nor was there any request from him for help, in advance of the attack on the diplomatic facility. His security detail did request help from the CIA compound after the attack began. After brief delay, both the Tripoli Embassy and the security people from the CIA compound were dispatched for a rescue attempt, which with the exception of the Ambassador and the State Department IT Officer (both of whom died of smoke inhalation) was successful in rescuing the Ambassador's security detail, returning them to the CIA compound. Terrorists followed them back from the diplomatic facility to the CIA compound, where two additional U.S. security people were killed by a brief mortar barrage. Thereafter, the compound was withdrawn (following additional reinforcement from Tripoli) from Benghazi.
     
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    Nonsense. Milley takes orders from the President, not vice versa.
     
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    You just made that up.
     
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    Never underestimate how crooked Democrats can be.
     

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