If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

Behavior?
We have preventable diseases, because we have vaccines and we were able to stop those diseases, with vaccines.
We have vaccines now for C19, we can stop it over time, if people vaccinate and behave responsible.
Its about a easily transmitted disease/virus, just breath and talk is enough.
I do vaccinate for my personal protection first, I vaccinate against, shingles, tetanus, wooping cough and so on for my personal protection.
I vaccinate to give any of those preventable diseases a host to mutate
I vaccinate for social duty so I do not have to roll over cost on society and so on and so and so on.
We have a virus which spread world wide and has killed millions with in 2 years, has cost hundreds of billions to the worlds health systems.
Has produced hundreds of millions of people with Long Covid, damaged goods for the rest of their lives, 30 years, 20 years. A burden to society, world wide.
Rubbish, childish, honestly ?

If you are not willing to vaccinate against any disease we have a vaccine for, you should be made responsible, if you catch it, or for your children, too.
Its not about behavior, its about a preventable diseas, which has claimed in the US more than death the 1918 flue.

I think you are rather childish, maybe in the range of a 11 year old. Grow up and become a responsible adult. I doubt that will ever happen.

 

Sorosis and diabetes are both 100% preventable. So is lung cancer caused by smoking. Should people with those conditions also not be treated?

 

I'm not responding anymore to your attempts to derail the thread. You should now know what this thread is about. So if you have something to comment that is on-topic, go right ahead. If not.... you're on your own.

 

I thought they said either they have long term symptoms or "will have long term symptoms", meaning that down the road symptoms will begin to crop up in people who had the covid. Either way only time will tell if they were right or wrong.

 

There’s nothing left to derail my friend. It’s just another thread based on easily exposed false premises. All it is now is a vehicle for authoritarians to expose themselves for what they are.

The topic has been changed by you so many times nobody cares anymore what you claim it is at the moment.

 

If you take the vaccine, you matter. It’s the people you infect that don’t matter.

 

You really don't comprehend well if that is your take away.

You assume that an unvaccinated person is infected.
You assume that a vaccinated person is not infected unless exposed to an unvaccinated person, who may or may not be carrying the virus.
You assume that a vaccinated person can catch a deadly version of the virus, but cannot transmit it.

Summary is, you apparently believe that the vaccination doesn't work, and that without fail someone who catches it will die. That entirely contradicts your supposed 'science' and proof in the numbers.

 

Your thread is about identifying an enemy to attack. There is no politics without an enemy. You have taken an unscientific side to vilify Americans based on anti-intellectual fear.

 

Worrying about everybody prolongs the pandemic indefinitely and prolongs pandemic mandates indefinitely. Besides, not nearly everybody gets chronically ill or dies from Covid.

 

In which way do you understand the science? What does the science say about wearing a mask, for example? What does the science say about having the paramount worry of using up hospital resources, for example? What does the science say about vaccination immunity vs. acquired immunity as in one receives the acquired immunity of antibodies to fight Covid when contracting Covid, for example?

 

No you don't care about that. You are perfectly fine with letting the vaccinated congregate just about everywhere, even though they spread the virus. That includes places all the way down or up to employment. Why is it ok for the vaccinated to spread the virus but the unvaccinated cannot?

 

So what do you think of this?

Dr. Walensky let the Israel cat out of the bag:

"reports from Israel suggest INCREASED RISK OF SEVERE DISEASE amongst those vaccinated early".

Sounds like a description of ADE which is a big fear with these experimental treatments.

 

So this thread is not about the people getting infected .. only those that infect them .. What a joke.

What part of - The vax does not stop an individual from infecting others - do you not understand ?

 

To clarify to others unlike yourself who may not know what ADE is: ADE is the theory that a vaccinated person may be more easily infected with Covid due to the vaccination.

 

The reason why we have had, since the start of the pandemic, procedures about staying 6 feet apart, or wearing masks is that, in order to keep others safe... or why we banned travel from heavily infected countries, or require negative tests when somebody was around a known infected individual... etc... is because we SHOULD assume that they are infected. The reason you took the shot is because you assume that there are people you come across at work, or at the supermarket, or at a restaurant.... who are infected People stay 6 feet away when standing in line because they assume you are infected. You protect them, and they protect you by following these guidelines. The opposite of not assuming this is not doing anything. The result would have been about 3 million Americans dead by now.

Unvaccinated people assume that they are not and will never be infected. But that, if they are they are. And they couldn't care less if they infect others because they believe it's all about THEM. All this may be legal right now. But it's not a "right"

Everybody must assume that everybody else is infected. Or we're never going to get out of this pandemic. The unvaccinated are the most culpable for keeping this alive. And they are doing it on purpose. That's irresponsible!

The rest of your post is absolute nonsense that contributes nothing to this debate.

 

Yes: Covid. It's us against Covid. And those who refuse to take the vaccine... and even more so those who spew anti-science propaganda about the vaccine, are on the side of Covid.

 

People who worry follow guidelines and get the vaccine. I couldn't care less if those who refuse to take the vaccine get chronically ill or die. I care that before they get chronically ill or die (or even develop any symptoms at all) they will infect others. And some of them could be children, or people who can't take the vaccine because they are allergic (or other conditions), or people who simply are unable to develop enough antibodies to fend off the disease.

These last people are who this thread is about. I couldn't care less about what happens to the others.

 

The science is explained in many many threads in this forum. You can look them up. This one assumes that people already know the basics surrounding the science.

 

Bingo! You have nothing to say? The topic disturbs you? You can't counter the arguments? You can move on. That way nobody wastes their time.

I prefer to use the time responding to those who actually HAVE counter-arguments than explaining to you what this topic is about. If you didn't get it by simply reading the OP... well... you didn't. Nothing I can do to help you with that.

This is also not about explaining science to you. There are many many threads in the forum that explain it.

There is also a Conspiracy Theory forum. I mention it just in case whatever your point is is more appropriate there.

 

Antibody-Dependent Enhancement. Not many people realize that some of the previous animal trails for the mRNA were shut down due to ADE.

 

You have made it clear the unvaccinated are the enemy.

 

Your assumption of what unvaccinated people may or may not think is your fatal flaw. Of course there are some who think they can't and won't be infected. But they are not the majority, and that inclused both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

When you can't find a suitable answer, edit someone's original post, claim rubbish, and hope that nobody notices. Guess what....

 

Well, I guess it's possible somebody out there might think they can commit suicide by not getting vaccinated. But it's unlikely enough so I think we can safely call that a strawman.

That's also not what this thread is about. It's about those who claim they won't get vaccinated because they have some "right". Which doesn't exist. I see you still trying to change the subject.

I only quote what I respond to. No less, no more. If you can't remember what you yourself posted, I can't help you.

 

Bullshit. I'm not vaccinated, not suicidal and don't think I'm Superman. The straw man is you, Scarecrow.

I have the right not to subject myself to a "vaccine" that does not offer sterilizing immunity. Ever hear of antibiotic resistant superbugs? How about glyphosate resistant superweeds? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have. So we have a phenomena that has been observed in both flora and fauna. Now tell me why I should be obligated to participate in the lunacy of indiscriminate use of a non-sterilizing vaccine.

 

It should be a mandatory thing that we all take the vaccine so we can all be safe. Unless you have an excuse or a very good reason why you don't.