The concept of mother nature seems odd to me. Nature is not a mother it is a terror. It involves many destructive forces that we do everything in our power to defeat. So that we we may survive. If nature is a mother it is a mother like andrea pia Yates. It's only harmonious and wonderful in between times when it is killing us. Tornadoes hurricanes droughts wildfires pestilence plague disease these are all mother nature. Mother nature is homicidal.
The Church already DOES ban same sex marriages - that is good enough for me. But I do want to ban hearing you people cry about it incessantly while you impose your dogma on a Christian baker that wants nothing to do with you.
All you are proving is that NOT everything that Mother Nature creates, is rational or necessarily good - as in 2 male penguins deciding to be homosexuals and adopting a baby penguin...
That is the unnatural existence of human society that makes you say that. Nature isn't good. In fact nature is the first evil we conquered. That is unnatural it is society that created you that way. If you're going to say it was God that created you that way God says he created you to be a sinner, you must deny your nature
I was actually just saying how perplexed I am at the idea that nature is mother it is not it is the exterminator.
Masturbation is not limited to hands and I have observed many an animal in the zoo who were doing what I can only classify as masturbation not to mention all the sex scenes. Masturbation is pretty natural as well. I will grant that animals probably don't fantasize while doing so, but then the point of masturbation is the pleasure sensations.
Then maybe you shouldn't bring up child molestation and I thread that has nothing to do with it. I don't think anybody's talking about decriminalizing pedophilia
I understand the broad point you are getting at and concur. In those cases where marriage results, its such a mixture of both. Repression takes a lot of work, a lot of pretty very conscious effort goes into turning that blind eye over and over daily to who one is not and who one is sexually attracted to by the time gay men are are likely to marry. And they know that they have been making that same concerted effort for years by that point, normally with several failed relationships behind them. Its really hard to isolate the self deception, from the deception of others else after awhile, assuming we are not precluding bisexuality here. After a few years,you might as well stick all that deception into a blender, add two cups of concentrated guilt, one cup of internalized homophobia, blenderize for 60 seconds and pour two cups, one for wife, and one for self!
Amazing the number of republicans who claim they don't know the first thing about homosexuality! I am just as bemused by that, Robert!
I have seen a bear orally stimulating himself at the zoo. Wish I did have a camera that day. That would have been YouTube gold. That said, not every animal has to do something for it to be natural.
That's your strawman. No one is excusing Muslims, particularly the radical ones. All religion means all religion. Reading is fundamental.
Further, just because it is natural, does not mean that it should be accepted or condoned. Disease for example. And yes I do realize that this argument can be used against homosexual behavior (vice homosexuality). And it is certainly a move valid argument than "it's not natural".
Dolphins, Octopi and Corbies, for sure. That aside, the ability to think and rationalize is irrelevant as to whether or not these animals are naturally homosexual. In fact, the lack of ability to rationalize in most of them would mean that they cannot choose to NOT act on their natural inclinations.
You seem to be falsely conflating natural with common. They are not automatically the same thing. Watch Faceboook as people post all kinds of rare natural weather phenomenon. The desires to kill or take what you want or what opposes you is a straight up natural desire. It occurs in humans and animals. As higher thinking beings, we can learn to control our natural desires, but that doesn't make them any less natural.
Ask and ye shall recieve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_a...red zoo keepers to,chick that was named Tango.
And yet heterosexual pairings continue to create homosexual individuals. That is before we consider the fallacy of homosexuals not being able to reproduce. Yes they need a person of the sex they are not sexually attracted to, but that doesn't mean that they will not engage in the mechanics of reproduction without the sexual attraction to the person in order to procreate.
IIRC, don't certain species of monkeys force copulation as a show of power on others in their grouping, both male and female victims?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals Many species mate for life and same sex life pairings have been recorded.