Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

January 6 panel to show Trump violated law by refusing to stop Capitol attack

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...tm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUS_email

 

Personally, and it might be hair splitting, I think he broke the law when he sent the armed mob over, not when he refused to stop it, although you can argue it's part of the same criminal transaction.

For instance, once he sent the mob and Pence/Pelosi had to call for a recess, then T**** reigned in his mob, he still would have obstructed an official government act.

Dereliction of Duty just isn't a thing outside of the military or police... It sounds great on a sound bite and he clearly did, but that's for impeachment or disqualification, not a legal matter for a POTUS...

 

Your points are well taken. Logical and well reasoned.

 

Well, what more do your need to charge Humpty Trumpty? Clearly, for more than three hours he did not ignore the criminal activity in what was happening and which he saw for himself from the Dining Room on Fox News. He knew his VP was under threat from a Mab chanting "Hang Pence." He CHOSE to do nothing and resisted advice to intervene. Nah.

If I am right, what say ye, Trumpsters?

 

FALSE. He took an oath to protect the Constitution. It was his sworn duty to act. What's more, he not only failed to act, he chose not to act.

Federal Criminal Penalty for Violation of Oath of Office

Federal criminal law is explicit and direct regarding a violation of oath of office by federal officials which includes all members of Congress. The law requires the removal of the office holder as well a prison term or fine for the offender.
18 U.S.C. 1918:
“Whoever violates the provisions of section 7311 of title 5 that an individual may not accept or hold a position in the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia if he (1) advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government [and] shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year and a day or both.”
http://foavc.org/01page/Articles/18 U.S.C. 1918.htm


Under the laws of a state, it may be considered treason or a high crime to betray a sworn oath of office. The word "oath" and the phrase "I swear" refer to a solemn vow. For those who choose not to, the alternative terms "solemn promise" or "solemnly affirm" and "I promise" or "I affirm" are sometimes used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#:~:text=Under the laws of a,I affirm" are sometimes used.

 

you are right............but watch the Trumpsters spin this and create another fantasy, blaming anyone but Trump.

Trump is not only toxic, but also malignant.

 

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Nope. NC can't stay. I was there 7 years and they were, by FAR, the worst 7 years of my entire life.

I always heard this stereotype but didn't believe it but after reading the extent of their knowledge about how pregnancy works...Well, there is a fair amount of truth in that.

 

Zero chance https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1918 would be used against T****. Seditious conspiracy (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384) is a much more likely, and serious, charge.

Failing to stop the insurrection simply isn't a charge.... Starting it should be....

 

I just don't think you are right, there... What US crime can be charged for "resisting advice to be intervene" or "choosing to do nothing"??

See post #2233 and I have no idea why that hasn't been charged for T****, because it has been charged for some of the foot soldiers...

I'm just not sure why people are so focused on what he didn't do.... Sending an armed mob for the purpose of delaying or stopping an important official government act seems much worse (LEGALLY) than sitting back and cheering his plan working (which should be death POLITICALLY)....

 

Sure, but will he go to jail?
Ever did American law put a former president behind bars?
I don't think so. The maximum the world can expect is that DJT won't allowed to be president again.

 

A lot of new ground was broken 2017-2021.... Why stop now??

I would call your maximum the minimum that should happen... Cost nobody anything to make that happen and there is already a procedure in the Constitution that seems to have been written for T**** (even if it was written 160 years ago)...

 

This article gives a better legal analysis than I can

https://theconversation.com/why-don...tion-of-duty-for-his-inaction-on-jan-6-187407

 

See Article 11 of your Constitution.

How about the jugular and go for treason?

If I was a US Marine Captain and my men were being butchered, and I sat under a tree drinking lemonade refusing to do an easily available bloody thing to stop the massacre, am I doing my duty?

 

I disagree with that author's opinion.

Treason will do me.

 

No, but as that article you disagree with says, T**** isn't in the military....

The treason thing won't fly LEGALLY either... Of course he will always be known as a traitor to America, but LEGALLY, his actions/inactions don't meet that criteria either.

What's wrong with a sedition charge?? It's what he did and it sounds just as bad as treason, to me anyway... with death sentence prison time available (for a 76 yo)...

 

Violation of your oath of office is a Federal Crime.

He swore to protect and defend the Constitution. And he not only failed to act to do so, he CHOSE not to do so.

He is clearly guilty of a Federal crime.

 

Wow. They have a whole website for what appears to be a Soviet Style kangaroo court.

https://january6th.house.gov/

I think Trump did and said nothing more inflammatory than we hear from the authoritarian Left all the time. Schumer's threats to a sitting USSC Justice come to mind.

But untrue in one thing a rebuttable presumption that everything you say is a lie. On day one, the committee was stating already proven BS about the Proud Boys being white supremacists (with a black leader at the time) cops being killed (total number: 0) while leaving out the 1 death that did happen. Unarmed trespasser Ashley Babbit was shot dead by a capitol policeman. No repercussions to that cop.

Seems it was just a false flag operation. Apparent FBI assets like Ray Epps did incited law breaking etc. I understand the nomination is still Trump's for the asking, even after all of this nonsense.

 

I hope they can nail him on conspiracy to commit insurrection of a similar charge. No doubt it should be treason.

 

You understand that all of the witnesses were loyal republicans and trumpers? They are the ones hanging him. Without their testimony, there would be no hearings.

 

You understand this happened? https://gazette.com/news/reporter-w...cle_bd0ec09a-cdf0-11eb-989f-3ff9f4912116.html I imagine they can find a lot of people to do a lot of things.
The swamp hates Trump. If they really had anything on him they would:
1) Not need to lie so much;
2) Have him in prison already.

EDIT: And this today https://www.bitchute.com/video/xj6vJXbWa08/

 

Which crime is that? Certainly not the 1918 USC you tried earlier

He is clearly guilty of several federal crimes, but doing nothing is not one of them....

Liz Cheney has been actually semi-quoting many federal crimes in her closings, but she can't do it for that...

I think we, as the reasonable party/side here, should stick with the provable basics..

 

Failure to intercede during an attack on the Capitol and the election is absolutely a violation of his oath. That is obvious. His first and foremost duty is to protect the Constitution.

And it certainly is a crime to violate your oath of office. That is clearly cited in the statute.

 

I don't think it's that clear-cut. I agree it seems plausible but you know the law - it often doesn't operate according to common sense.

 

It is clearly stated. No interpretation is needed. No interpretation of intent is needed. He watched the attack on TV and REFUSED to do anything in spite of his own staff begging him to do so.

Conspiracy to commit sedition and treason are the more difficult charges to prove. There they have to prove intent.

 

Where does it state that "failure to intercede during an attack on the Capitol and the election" is illegal for a president? To be clear, I think it was despicable; I'm just not convinced of the legality question.