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COVID belongs on Section 2 of a death certificate (potential contributing factors)... Part of the scam is to force COVID into being listed at the very bottom of section 1 of a death certificate as an "underlying cause of death"... There is no causal chain of events that leads from COVID to death. Most "COVID deaths" are actually deaths from pneumonia, and other "COVID deaths" are from other causes. No death is caused solely from getting COVID.

 

Are you admitting that but for Covid these people wouldn't be dying when they died?

No need to keep flapping your non-scientific gums. Actual scientists have answered your medieval conclusions:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5

"Our findings reveal that causes of death were directly related to COVID-19 in most cases and not an immediate consequence of preexisting health conditions and comorbidities, i.e. these patients—despite often suffering from severe health conditions—would not have died in the absence of a SARS-CoV-2 infection at the given time point."

https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/5/e189

"This retrospective review of cause of death demonstrates that the overwhelming majority of hospitalised patients with positive SARS-CoV-2 PCR in our Trust died as a direct consequence of COVID-19 infection. Numerous observational studies have reported outcomes and risk factors for mortality in COVID-19; however, the accuracy of causes of death have seldom been reported. One study described autopsy findings from 26 patients with reported cause of death as COVID-19, and found confirmatory evidence in 92%,6 consistent with our data.

These findings should provide reassurance to both medical professionals and the general public that cause of death reporting in hospitalised patients following positive SARS-CoV-2 tests provides an accurate representation of COVID-19 mortality in hospitalised patients."

 

And what "political reasons" were those?

 

Oh no! Arrrrrgh!! **death rattle*

 

???? I have no idea what you are asking.

Your false authorities are summarily dismissed.

 

Actual scientists are fake. But you're an authority.

 

Define "actual scientist". You are just mindlessly spewing buzzwords around thinking that you sound smart when you do so.

Science is an authority, and you are denying it (amongst other authoritative sources).

 

I appreciate when a loved one dies you want answers. However with great sensitivity to you, you do not know your daughter's cardia arrest was the result of taking one or more vaccines for Covid 19. With utmost respect if someone gets cardiac complications from a vaccine its most often immediate and before they have an arrest there are other symptoms that are treated. You don't just die from a heart attack. I think with due respect you do not do yourself or anyone else a service blaming it on Covid 19 vaccines without an autopsy report that leads to that conclusion. I note you don't quote one.

 

That is total bullshit and just a case of twisting things with semantics. The only scam is people trying to pass this kind of crap off as true. There sure is an obvious causal chain of events when people die of severe covid.

The pneumonia is caused directly by SARS-CoV-2 and is part of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome which can only be caused by a SARS coronavirus. For some, especially those who are older and/or have pre-existing health conditions SARS is fatal because the pneumonia they develop makes it impossible to breathe and can cause respiratory failure leading to death. People with SARS that is severe can also develop heart and liver failure as well but usually as a consequence of the pneumonia.

This is how it is done in the UK.

The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence.

So for example, if a patient is positive for covid and develops a high fever, cough and then pneumonia and subsequently enters the hospital due to difficulty breathing and is put on life support and then dies (the sequence of events that led to death), the cause of death will be covid. If the patient had a heart condition that contributed to them developing severe covid, that would be added as a condition in Part 2.

If a person were to brought to the hospital with a knife wound that lacerated their liver and tested positive for covid with no fever, cough etc and subsequently died of massive blood loss, the cause of death would be blood loss due to liver laceration. It would be highly unlikely that covid would even be mentioned as a contributing factor. The cause of death is the knife wound. Was the death caused by the liver laceration from being stabbed? Would anybody argue that using semantics?

If a person dies from SARS they died due to getting the coronavirus as it led directly to their death. I don’t know why people are so into denying death being directly caused as a result of getting the virus when they will so easily claim vaccines directly cause death without any proof whatsoever. It’s like trying to claim that person didn’t really die of AIDS after they developed Pneumocystis pneumonia and died (direct chain of events = AIDS —> pneumonia —> death). It’s like trying to say somebody didn’t die of cancer after their lungs got so riddled with tumours they could no longer breathe properly and it led to heart failure. I have a friend who’s 58 year old mother died on life support due to having covid. Her mother had well controlled diabetes and was slightly overweight. She did not die from diabetes, she did not die from being overweight, she died because of SARS directly caused by the covid virus and my friend gets really upset when people try to suggest otherwise using semantics and weasel words. It’s a stupid lie promoted by ignorant people who have no clue how death certificates actually work in order to deny the fact that covid has directly killed millions. All deaths involve some kind of sequence of events with direct causes and indirect causes. I suppose if you want to deny anybody dying of anything, let’s just call it cardiac arrest because that is the one ultimate cause of all deaths.

What it’s like to die from Covid19 — https://www.vox.com/2021/2/20/22280817/covid-19-deaths-us-nursing-home-icu-ventilator

 

You have done your best to explain it. The choice to be "confused" is not as a result of anything you say or do not say. There are people on this forum who choose to have a preconceived view not to trust anything that frightens them. Being frightened and not understanding something and so denying it to try make the boogey man go away with denial is unfortunately a tendency of we homo sapiens primates. Its why some of us still fear thunder, darkness, anything we feel we can't control or truly understand, i.e.. death. No matter what you say someone with a preconceived fear of vaccines, authority figures, death, illness, etc., won't hear you or read what you say.

The info is there for anyone to find it. Covid like any virus mutates. Vaccines can offer limited immunity. These vaccines can provide a build up of auto-immunity defence for a specific period of time so that if certain strains of Covid are caught, the person with the virus will have a shorter gestation period. The shorter period means they can cut down on the chances of their spreading it. It can lessen the symptoms so they do not have to use medical services, i.e., hospitals, pulling nurses and physicians way from patients with fatal illnesses that can NOT be prevented or lessened, i.e., cancer, lupus. It can also cut down on certain individuals getting long term Covid 19 symptoms. It can mean for those with pre-existing conditions where they can not take the Covid 19 virus, we can help avoid them get infected and use up hospital beds they need.

That is the issue. No one who created these vaccines said they would work on every strain no more than they have with flu viruses. No one has said they can stop the spread. They can cut down on the likelihood of spread by cutting down the length of time someone has the virus but no during the virus it is contagious no different than the flu.

The studies on vaccines can be explained to you by your pharmacist, any family doctor, any specialist you see for other illnesses, paramedics, firefighters, health clinics, social workers. health boards, school trustees, your children's teachers or principal, any health provider and yes your dentist, dental hygienist.

There is no need to hide and be afraid of Covid 19 or more importantly vaccines.

Yes people can have adverse reactions but they almost always happen within the first 10 minutes of taking the shot. No you do not suddenly die.

Symptoms such as beathing problems, headaches, dizziness, blurry eyes, shaking, high fever, confusion, smelling a strong odor that won't go away, suddenly being unable to remember anything orproblems concentrating or walking. they all arise pretty quickly and if and when they do you can and should get help and this is why a nurse, doctor or pharmacist who gives you the shot explains this and tells you to wait 15 minutes after the shot. Paramedics act quickly with those with adverse reactions when called.

Enough with this Covid ignorance. Let's help each other out. More variations will of course come this winter. Whether boosters will help with certain variants only or all is not known yet.

What is absolutely known is if you had one shot and nothing else, after 6 months, any benefit of that shot in helping your body resist any Covid 19 virus is no longer present. Covid 19 caccine effect is temporary.

Next my niece and one daughter both in their mid 30's had strokes from Covid 19. My niece got meningitis and because of proper education she identified the symptoms and was rushed to the hospital and in critical care 4 days and is now just fine. My daughter was in critical care 3 weeks and a blood clot travelled into a smell defect in a heart valve and it was finally detected. She had severe headaches, confusion, could not beath and her friend who was a nurse first noticed her symptoms and rushed her in to emergency.

We all need to understand being afraid of this is not the solution. Looking out for one another is.

 

3-5 years.

 

...if you do and if you have a spare moment...can you send me a PM with any tips about getting past St Peter and into heaven...?


Three nuns go up to heaven. Peter’s at the gates and he tells them they have to answer a question before they can come in. So he says to the first one "what was the name of the first woman?" She says "Eve" and he lets her in. He says to the second one "where did Eve live?" She says "the Garden of Eden" and she too is allowed in. Then he says to the third nun "what was the first thing Eve said when she saw Adam?" She says "oh, that’s a hard one", and he says "yeah, you’re in…"

 

~ Good luck ...

 

Not exactly sure but the Great Grandpa and office would hiss at us to get vaccinated. It clearly isn't necessary.

 

och..dinna fret ye'sen laddie.....I've had 3 already....still here.....

 

Not at all.

No, it's being honest and precise.

Wrong, as already shown.

Define "severe COVID". How is it different from COVID? And no there isn't.

No it isn't. Pneumonia is a bacteriological infection, although battling a viral infection (weakened/stressed immune system) can make someone more susceptible to also developing pneumonia. SARS-CoV-2 does not cause pneumonia (as MANY people who get COVID do not get pneumonia, so COVID is not causing pneumonia).

Right.

SARS (specifically COVID in this conversation) is not fatal.

Pneumonia is not SARS (or COVID). You are now attempting to rename SARS/COVID into pneumonia.

Not "impossible", but it usually makes it more labored (or even very difficult) to breathe... that's why the earlier that pneumonia gets effectively treated, the better. Pneumonia CAN kill.

Correct. Pneumonia CAN kill... Pneumonia IS properly listed towards the bottom of Section 1 of a death certificate, as it can begin a causal chain of events that can lead to death if not properly and effectively treated.

SARS/COVID does not cause heart/liver failure.

I can't speak for the UK; I can only speak for the former USA.

As happens in the former USA. Line A is the immediate cause of death. Line B is the condition that caused the immediate cause of death. Line C is the condition that caused the condition that caused the immediate cause of death, and etc. At the very bottom of Section 1 is the condition that started that causal chain of events, such as pneumonia.

The same is done in the former USA. I refer to this as "Section 1".

The same is done in the former USA. I refer to this as "Section 2". This section is for listing 'possible contributing factors' of death. This is where COVID belongs on a death certificate. Part of the scam is forcing COVID up into the bottom of Section 1, where it doesn't belong. This happens due to the receipt of government money regarding pretty much anything COVID related (tests, positive cases, hospitalizations, deaths).

This is incorrect. COVID should be listed in Section 2, as COVID is nothing more than a potential contributing factor to that person's death. It is the pneumonia that should be listed at the bottom of Section 1, which caused one's lungs to fill up with fluid, which caused breathing issues, and on and on until the person died. Thus, the death was caused by pneumonia, not by COVID. The coinciding COVID infection was a coincidence, not a cause. Without developing pneumonia, that person wouldn't have died.

Whether there was a fever/cough or not, this death was caused by liver laceration (the cause that led to the immediate cause of death). COVID, once again, is listed under Section 2 as a 'potential contributing factor' (a health condition that was present).

It would be listed as a contributing factor (Section 2), as it was a health condition that was present.

The cause of death was liver laceration (that one used a knife to bring about).

Wrong. SARS/COVID does not cause death (as already described). You are trying to redefine COVID into pneumonia. Pneumonia is a separate disease, not a symptom of COVID.

Continued ranting that has already been refuted.

 

~ To whome it may concern ...

The More COVID Shots You Get, the More Likely You’ll Get COVID. Here’s Why :

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-booster-lowered-immunity-infections-cola/

Kaiser Finds Risk of Getting COVID Increases With Each Shot

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kaiser-risk-covid-vaccine/

 

You are referencing systemic reactions to Covid vaccination. The median onset of these types of reactions is 1-2 days post vaccination, not 10 minutes as you claim. Before you provide any more misinformation you can enlighten yourself starting here.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html#persons-18yrs-older


Anaphylactic shock is the immediate possible adverse reaction and can happen immediately. It’s an allergic reaction whereas the adverse events you referenced above like headaches or fever are immune responses/inflammatory responses. They are totally different physiological responses than anaphylaxis thus the very different timetables. Anaphylaxis is very rare. Systemic events are not rare.

Case reports of anaphylaxis following the Pfizer vaccine administration had a median onset of 13 minutes with a range of 2-150 minutes.

The quoted post above demonstrates there will never be an end to the misinformation and disinformation. I started warning pro vaxxers to stop with the misinformation back in August of 2020 before a Covid vaccine was even available. I told science denying pro vaxxers as long as they kept telling fibs there would be resistance to vaccination. Boy was I right. They will never be trusted as long as they keep providing easily debunked misinformation and disinformation.

And there’s no excuse for providing misinformation. If someone doesn’t know what they are talking about, they should do some research. They shouldn’t just spout uninformed opinions. I’ve seen people make claims on PF about following science and basing beliefs on evidence. Well, they should actually do so. Especially if they are going to lecture others on ignorance.

 

4 here. I died yesterday.

 

I’d love to examine any evidence you could provide to back this claim.

 

My funeral was awesome. Lots of snacks.

 

It isn’t necessary for me to vaxx, I live healthily.

 

Bogus claim, my conspiracy-mongering chum.

From the craaaaazy folks at Johns Hopkins:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/im-a-healthy-young-person-why-should-i-get-a-covid-vaccine

As more and more people are vaccinated, the virus will have fewer people to infect, and community transmission will go down. Every person that gets vaccinated brings us one step closer to ending the pandemic.

Not getting vaccinated puts you at much higher risk of severe COVID-19, which can make you seriously sick for a long period of time and possibly cause lasting damage—even if you’re young and healthy. We still don’t know why COVID causes such severe disease in some people, so it’s impossible to predict whether you’ll have a mild or serious case if you are exposed.

There’s also the added convenience of being vaccinated! You don’t have to quarantine if you’ve been exposed to someone who you later found out was infected with COVID-19. And, if you end up traveling someplace that requires a vaccine, that will already be taken care of. Plus, at the end of the day, you will be protected against the disease, so you won’t have to worry about getting other people sick or causing them to need to quarantine by accident.

 

It’s not bogus at all, it’s the reality. If you live a healthy life that is the single best way to survive the china virus….my projecting chum.

This isn’t conspiracy, it’s the objective truth.


getting vaxxed isn’t necessary for a healthy person such as my self. Each person who lives healthier and works out, strengthening their body and immune systems brings us far closer to ending the pandemic and is far better than any vaxx.

Not working out and being healthier and living healthily makes you far more susceptible to the virus, resulting is a far higher viral load and higher chance for death and transmission. It causes such severe issues overwhelmingly in those whom are living unhealthily and posses comorbidities related to such.

There is also the added convenience of being healthy! Which had a multitude of other positive elements such as not having to quarantine when exposed to someone who has the virus. Less and less places are requiring the vaxx and it’s soon to be a nonissue.

Best thing you can do moving forward, eat right,work out, meditate, and live well!

 

So, Johns Hopkins is "lying"?