Question concerning West Bank

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I can see why firebombing construction equipment happens
     
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    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

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    The West Bank belongs to Israel and Palestine isn't a real country. But the terrorists in that region don't know this because their education system programs them with falsehoods.
     
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    The West Bank including East Jerusalem belongs to Palestina. The world voted it into existence with borders and everything years and years ago, with less than a dozen countries voted against it. And so it is. All the Israeli colonies in it, are illegal. All Israeli citizens living there are war criminals. Israel's expansion in there, are war crimes. Israels behavior is just like Russia. Thinking land belongs to them and their people. And it's just not.

    Israel can take it up to the International court in The Hague and plead their case if they don't agree.
    Do note. Israeli Jews have massively have voted in the governments who commit the war crimes in their name for decades.
    Israeli Jews also massively joined the IDF and chip in and be part of that war criminal action. Exceptions are view.
    They aint suddenly innocent once they stopped helping with their active "duty" of committing war crimes.
     
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    What foreigners would that be? Jewish people have been in the west bank for a thousand years. They lost it for awhile then won it back.
     
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    Would you be ok with Mexicans reclaiming parts of the Southwest US?
    They actually occupied those territories before we "acquired" it from them. (at gunpoint).
     
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    It was nomadic hunters from northeast Asia that first occupied north America (and central and south America for that matter) but who's counting.?. The fact remains that the Jewish people have occupied the region for 3000 years or so, though usually ruled by a myriad of other countries, and the current Arabian Palestinians didn't even exist as an independent culture until a couple of hundred years or so ago.
     
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    I realize that you're trying to make a critical case of Israel, but have you seen what the Biden folks want to do with eminent domain and federal zoning laws?
     
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    Is this how you choose to be anti-semitic then? Would it have been better if it had been say Egyptian Arabs? Jordanian Arabs? Syrians?
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Started on steroids by Obama.
     
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    History is interesting, isn't it?
    My point is that if we look back in history, many arguments could be made about "who was here first" or "who did what to whom" in the past, but we have to end that, as it is a never ending argument. Pick a time, call it, own it. That's what happened after WW2 with the middle east. It's also why war has continued for many years in the middle east, each party is able to pick a time in the past to support their argument.
     
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    Anyone thousands of years old isn’t a foreigner there. Pretty small group I’m guessing.
    Glad nobody applies that logic to any part of America
     
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    My response would be to stop attacking people so that they become motivated to destroy my home as punishment. If you do terrorist things, people will respond negatively. Nice one sided post, though.
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    Palestine is a country that has borders.

    Just like with the border between Canada and the USA, there are people living on both sides that have different religious beliefs, similar beliefs, various religions, etc.

    The problem with the border between Israel and Palestine is that Israel rules much of Palestine, enforcing their military law on the people of Palestine, using mercenary forces in many cases. The residents of Palestine had NO representation in the laws Israel imposes on them.

    So, Israel repeatedly decides it can bulldoze more homes of those living in Palestine in order to make room for foreign use of their land.

    America has ALWAYS seen this as a crime against humanity.

    Except that somehow we think it is fine for Israel to bulldoze the homes of Palestinians and steal their land, their water, and their very means of existence.
     
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    Allow me to quantify how much of a damn I give about the geographical assessment of anti-Semites and Neo-Nazis. Its zero, nada, I give 0.0% total shits about their Jew hating consensus. The land is Israel's; has been, shall be.
     
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    Palestine doesn't exist. The West Bank was a part of Jordan but is now part of Israel.
     
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    Exactly. We make NO border decisions based on who lived there in ancient times.

    After WWII, there was a lot of emotion about the suffering of Jews - something that was certainly warranted.

    HOWEVER, then we turned around and stole land for their use.

    And, ISRAEL'S response is to bulldoze the homes of their neighbor, steal their water rights and make life untenable with NO CONCEPT of justice.

    I'll have to say that I have Jewish friends, but what Israel is doing is a humanitarian crime of stupendous proportions.

    How can we complain about Russia conquering Ukraine while actually giving AID to Israel to carry out their atrocities against Palestinian families living in Palestine?
     
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    You should watch a CNN special series called "Jerusalem". Very interesting and well done.
     
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    That is all very true. Getting to the practical gist, the Palestinians were granted the west bank and the Gaza strip through the English mandate by some Britishers sitting in a stuffy smoky room saying let's draw boundaries here and there and then put some people there within the boundaries. It is true something should have happened for the Palestinians to have their own homeland but Jordon was immovable (NIMBY) and Israel was easily manipulated, so Viola!. Everything was going along so-so until the Palestinians started throwing rocks and grenades then Syria, Jordon and Egypt chose to attack en masse. They all got their asses whipped, so there is something to the winners get the spoils, although the Israelis were not as adamant with the west bak and Gaza as they were with the Golan Heights for its military disadvantage.

    It is messy.
     
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    No, Palestine was a British protectorate at the time. The UK donated Palestine to the Jews. Nothing was stolen.

    It is effective justice. The houses they bulldoze belonged to terrorists who attacked and killed Israelis. They are lucky they don't face a firing squad.

    Stop it. We really are getting bored with your anti-semitism. You aren't convincing anybody with all this misinformation and backward opinions.
     
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    I don't approve of this extrajudicial approach by Israel, especially in the West Bank area. Gaza is different, Hamas is a bad steward of that area, and they certainly provoke things to the extreme.
     
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    There is nothing anti-Semitic about my post. Your post is just a nasty racist personal attack. A typical pro Jewish Israeli reaction.
     
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    The world voted Palestina into existence. Only 9 voted against it!!!
    To claim everybody that voted for it are anti-Semites / Neo-Nazi's because it's "Jew hating" if you did that, is actually a very nasty racist / religious slur.
    Palestina aint israeli, and it aint Jewish. It never was, it never will. All you got is a nasty neo-crusader mentality against Arabs for being Arab.
     
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    There is no such thing as to the winner goes the spoils anymore. Just look at Russia. It's not being allowed to have the spoils. It's indeed just messy. Among things that the Israeli Jews claim they need a buffer against the baddies, but they end up massively living inside that buffer themselves and keep on expanding that policy. It's flat out illegal and actually a warcrime to do so.

    And so to draw where the line should be, the world had a vote like a decade ago, and they voted Palestina into existence, with borders and everything. Only 9 nations voted against it, and so it is and it's final. The people who deny what is the truth of it all, are almost always from one of those 9 nations and support the never ending colonization of an other country out of purely extremist religious views.
     
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    They demanded that the rights of the ingenious people to be respected and that this was to be specifically to be understood. And at the first glance, the Jews stole the properties of +700.000 Arab civilians. So there was a heck of a lot of land stolen from day 1. And the thievery continues today by Israel deciding it's going to expand further and further across the border. A decision Israel makes about every year. A decision made by politicians that the Jews keep voting for.


    Israel only does this to Arabs, and never to a Jewish terrorists. So it's an apartheid policy. No country does this, so you can't go argue that this is some kind of "justice". It's even less common than the public hanging of homosexuals. That's how outrageous it is.

    All you got going is personally attacking people with slurring racist insults at posters when confronted that Israel is ethnic cleansing Arabs / acting like Russia.
    Some reply that is.
     

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