Biden is creating a new White House office focused on gun violence prevention

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    That has nothing to do with firearms registration.
     
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    He was not indicted on charges related to being a felon in possession of a gun. He was indicted for two counts of lying on a federal form(regarding drug use) and one count of a drug user being in possession of a gun.

    “Biden was charged with two counts of making false statements on a federal firearms form and a third of possessing a firearm as a drug user.”

    https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/09/14/hunter-biden-indicted-gun-charges

    I also hope his case makes it to the Supreme Court and that that part of the form is struck down as invalid.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well you are absolutely wrong. There is no paperwork that allows unlicensed individual to send a firearm across state lines to another unlicensed individual without the intervention of a licensed dealer. Period. What exact paperwork do you think allows that.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    do you know any scenario where an unlicensed individual can send-across state lines-a firearm to another unlicensed individual?
     
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    Not legally.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Me neither and I was the AUSA that was charged with handling these sort of issues for our district.
     
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    It was a joke :roll:

    But the point is still there - are you armed every minute of every single day? No? Then start working out back-up plans. I.e. if someone crashed though your front door - what do you have at hand you can throw to distract them long enough for you to get to your next step.
     
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    Bunkum! We have had very little change to the 1996 National Firearms Regulation since it was passed and there are MORE guns and gun owners today than there was then
     
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    this thread is about the Biden schemes to ban our guns. I cannot tell you again how little I care about Australia, its subjects and its pathetic government and laws.

    You get another publicized shooting over there, and I am sure there will be another round of howling and bed wetting and silly bans. But we know what Biden wants to do
     
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    For someone who “cares little about Australia” you have certainly knocked our gun regs in the past :p

    So How many mass shootings have WE had since 1996 and name your definition
     
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    Yep, we constantly hear from some how great the nanny state of Australia is. I couldn't care less since we both know that mass shootings aren't what drives the demands to get rid of our rights
     
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    The core isue is that the gun ownership thing is in the constitution...and has been interpreted the way gun sellers, and buyes want it to read.
    Ergo: it is their fall back position.
    The fact that itis a CHOICE to own weapons, (regardless of the constitution) does not factor in. Weapons have become a "rite of passage" in some families. It is so entrenched that any variation in thinking is immediately rejected.
    If there were no restrictions, it would be just fine with most .
    So mass shootings are simply part of this culture. If mass shootings' really bothered folks , they would be motivated to do something about it.

    It is a challenge to change a population's way of thinking after over 300 yrs , where weapons have served them .. in their psychology ..... well to achieve the status they have.
    Final analysis: any discussion is a dead end one.
    The biggest threat to many is any changes to the constitution about this . There is a psychological reliance on weapons now that is challenging to alter. Everything else is just "talking points"
     
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    that's a rather jaundiced view of gun ownership. Millions of Americans like playing golf, pickelball, basketball or tennis. as many or more Americans enjoy target shooting, hunting and gun collecting and they rightfully resent being scapegoated by politicians and the leftwing media for the acts of violent criminals. People rightfully resent being blamed for things they are not responsible for
     
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    In bold..

    "New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people’s homes and cars."

    What a ****ing moron...
     
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    No, no, no. When the framers wrote the constitution and specifically the bill of rights, the issue of the right to bare arms was understood to be essential as a way to check the government. The English had created the English bill of rights 90 years before after they killed the king following a bloody civil war. The yokel farmers had defeated King George after the American Revolution. It is still true today... If you disarm the people, the government has all the power. My ignorant sister understands this ..
    Of course, back then law enforcement dealt with criminals accordingly and most citizens weren't concerned with burglary etc... And the culture was still WASP Male oriented....

    That really is the point here. North-Western European men built the greatest cultures and societies in history. Yet their ideals and values have been and continue to be attacked. My best bet is that in 100 years they will say, "why did they do this to themselves." My answer would be considered a little too red pilled....
     
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    And yet there is a way to KEEP weapons ownership whilst reducing firearm mortality - especially among children. But it has to with mandating firearm responsibility. The screams over mandatory firearm securement are especially shrill and remind me of those who are “against” speed limits.
     
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    And yet the ”wild west” often had stricter gun control than is seen in America today.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/
     
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    Really? Do elaborate (ooops sorry that was a polysyllabic response wasn’t it?
     
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    Not everyone speeds but we still have speeding laws
     
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    and as I have explained to you before-speeding involves the use of a car vs banning ownership of a car that can exceed the speed limits. I have no issue with banning the FIRING of firearms in say city parks, public buildings, schools etc.
     
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    ending the war on drugs would end a lot of it, we need to stop funding gangs
     
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    Biden is not going to ban all your precious weapons. Not sure what exactly he will propose in an attempt to curtail gun violence. It might be smart to wait and see what they come up with before pushing the panic button.
     
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    Indeed. There are ways to deal with the issue to decrease gun violence and mortality....... but there is little appetite to accept any regulations.........as the fear of having gun bans is extreme.
    There is no common sense or objective attitudes about this.
    Too much money involved and the money governs political decisions.
     
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    Your petty semantics about Hunter and the charges noted. If you can put that aside, I doubt this law is going to change.
     
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