Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. vman12

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    It is wrong not to have compassion for those unfortunates caught in the middle of this, and I know there are no easy answers for them other than to get as far away from Islamic jihadis as possible.

    The only thing the actual innocent Gazans are to people like Hamas is a human meat shield.
     
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    In Biden's defense, he's not making any real decisions.
     
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    That's a dumb comment coming from the side that covered for the Soviets and were weak on the cold war for it's entire history.
     
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    That's exactly what a Putin supporter would say, comrade.
     
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    It's a true comment, MAGAs and their supporters/fans support Putin and his decaying Russia.
     
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    Maybe those who say the US should withdraw from everywhere will win the argument and we will move away from the unique historical era in which all nations enjoyed freedom of movement. Good luck trading 200 nations of the world. Especially smaller countries. Better get your people in line, because if one of them says the wrong thing about Muhammad, Iran might decide to drone your oil tanker...
     
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    I think Hamas is playing a game in which they conduct a pogrom, run back to their holes, and have a bunch of third parties all over the world call for a ceasefire for them against Israel. Israel is right to angrily respond to such disrespect.

    Are you sure there is a Hamas member who would recognize Israel's authority enough to sit at a table with an Israeli to negotiate a ceasefire?

    I say again, if the world wants a ceasefire, demand that Hamas ask for it themselves.
     
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    In his defense from all of the people who say sending our carriers is provocation, did you guys just miss Kabul, or Benghazi? It's kind of hypocritical to criticize him for not being ready to get Americans out of harm's way, and then criticize him now for trying to be ready.
     
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    Oh I'm very familiar with the failure of Democrats in general.

    I'm just saying he's not the one actually making any of these decisions. He's just a sock puppet for those that are.
     
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    Probably, and it is infuriating. That's because everyone that surrounds him knows that this volatile situation cannot be solved by council or committee. We need one voice who knows what they want, and the vision to obtain it. If he can't do it, resign, and let Kamala try. If she can't, same. We are beyond the point at which partisanship should be considered above the country.

    The world would have the most hopeful outlook if we all woke up tomorrow and heard Biden, Putin, Bibi, and Zelensky had resigned. Oh, and Trudeau.
     
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    Indeed. And the Jewish state is behaving like Hamas. Heck, your Jewish slate massacred more children by far.

    Indeed. When through the UN the same international law dictates what is Palestine, than it uprooted the idea from 1949.
    And them fascist Israeli Jew only colonies were a war crime all along according to international law.
     
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    So what, Hamas just freedom fighters right? And they respect international law right? And they only target soldiers right?
     
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    No. You seemed to have double downed with a comment even dumber than your previous one.
     
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    Facts are facts no matter how dumb your accusations are.


    Meet the pro-Putin Republicans and conservatives
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    Republican Accountability
    https://accountability.gop › ukraine-quotes

    Only 5 percent of Republicans support Russia over Ukraine, but the MAGA wing of the GOP has continually sided with Putin and against Ukraine.


    Murphy: The Republicans Lifting Up Putin Are the Same ...
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    Senator Chris Murphy (.gov)
    https://www.murphy.senate.gov › press-releases › mur...

    Feb 17, 2023 — Murphy highlighted that calls to end U.S. support to Ukraine by Donald Trump and the MAGA wing of the Republican Party undermines U.S. security ...


    U.S. support for Ukraine an increasingly divisive issue ...
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    PBS
    https://www.pbs.org › newshour › show › u-s-support...

    Mar 15, 2023 — Republicans, once defined as Cold War hawks distrustful of Russia, are quickly and sharply splitting over U.S. support. Lisa Desjardins and ...


    To Russia, With Love: The GOP Divide on Putin and Ukraine
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    U.S. News & World Report
    https://www.usnews.com › News › National News

    Apr 11, 2023 — About half the Republican base, or 47% of Republican voters, believe that the U.S. is doing “too much” to support Ukraine, according to a poll ...
     
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    Hamas has long since killed any legitimate resistance "fighters" in Gaza.
     
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    People who target civilians are war criminals, not "fighters".
     
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    There is a legitimate reason to be reluctant to keep financing the war in Ukraine and it has nothing to do with love for Putin. At what point is enough, enough? When does life on the home front take priority?
     
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    Hamas was ready to concede to the unity government of president Abbas, which required agreement to nonviolent means exclusively. Abbas has consistently worked toward nonviolence and negotiations through the UN - something the USA has opposed with its veto power and threats to agencies of the UN.

    Netanyahu took serious moves to prevent the success of the unity party, and was successful in preventing this serious move to disenfranchise Hamas.

    Gaza has long stated that the government of West Bank negotiates the major issues of borders and existence for all of Palestine.

    President GWBush was the last US president to work toward negotiations. He failed, as Israel demanded to be allowed to steal more land and expand settlements DURING NEGOTIATIONS FOR BORDERS!! Since then, the US has cut aid to Palestine, increased aid to Israel, including massive arms shipments, and has worked to ensure that efforts by the UN and other nations are blocked.

    Thus WE ensure there is no platform for negotiation.
     
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    I hope you don't regard this as evidence for your position, because let me remind you what your position is:

    None of your links make that point. Instead your correlate dissatisfaction with funding Ukraine's useless war with Russia with support for Putin. I've discussed this issue multiple times on this forum over the last two years or so, so I don't need to rehash it here in a thread where the subject is way off topic, but your inability to understand why a taxpayer would not want to fund someone else's war, with no benefit to the national interest, means you are not going to understand any argument I make to that regard, instead you dumb it down to if you don't want to fund a war, you love Putin. Ridiculous.

    My suggestion is you join one of the many Ukraine threads and give another stab at making your point.
     
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    Nonsense.

    Hamas would accept borders negotiated by the PA?

    I dont believe that for a second. They are Islamist fanatics.
     
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    They also agreed to join the unity government of President Abbas, which required signing on to a nonviolent approach. It was Netanyahu who opposed this, NOT Hamas.

    Netanyahu has seen the joining of the two parts of Palestine as a step toward a two state solution, which he has promised will never exist. In fact, he has gone so far as to encourage aid to Hamas (2019) from Qatar. The reason is probably that Hamas was incredibly weak at that time, and thus more willing than ever to look for a unification with the government of Palestine.

    Hamas is very much NOT like ISIS in a key way - they clearly do not erect the kind of ancient and intolerant government based on the Qur'an that is the objective of ISIS.

    It's important that we know what it is that Hamas (and Gaza in general) wants, or would be satisfied with.
     
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    Hamas agreed to recognize Israel, remove the destruction of Israel from their charter, commit to non-violence and end all hostilities?

    BS
     
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