Kyiv:UAF begin offensive ops in specific areas.

We could've avoided being attacked if we didn't support Germany's foes. Wilson entangled us before we were attacked.

They far underestimated the destruction they were embarking upon, just like people today. And just like we caused the rise of Hitler, we will be the reason a monster arises in Russia. And then yes, even I will be forced to fight him, just like Wilson and his cronies forced Americans to fight the monster his actions created.

 

The Zimmermann Telegram (or Zimmermann Note or Zimmermann Cable) was a secret diplomatic communication issued from the German Foreign Office in January 1917 that proposed a military alliance between the German Empire and Mexico if the United States entered World War I against Germany. With Germany's aid, Mexico would recover Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. The telegram was intercepted by British intelligence.

Revelation of the contents enraged Americans, especially after German State Secretary for Foreign Affairs Arthur Zimmermann publicly admitted on March 3 that the telegram was genuine. It helped to generate support for the American declaration of war on Germany in April 1917.[1]

The decryption has been described as the most significant intelligence triumph for Britain during World War I[2] and it marked one of the earliest occasions on which a piece of signal intelligence influenced world events.[3]
Zimmermann Telegram

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The Zimmermann Telegram was a secret diplomatic communication issued from the German Foreign Office in January 1917 that proposed a military alliance ...

 

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Couldn't help but notice the word: if.

Of course it was a great success; it got us into the war. I'm sure our leaders didn't use the "if" qualifier in their propagandizing of Americans.

 

Translated:

We intend to begin on the first of February unrestricted submarine warfare. We shall endeavor in spite of this to keep the United States of America neutral. In the event of this not succeeding, we make Mexico a proposal of alliance on the following basis: make war together, make peace together, generous financial support and an understanding on our part that Mexico is to reconquer the lost territory in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. The settlement in detail is left to you. You will inform the President of the above most secretly as soon as the outbreak of war with the United States of America is certain, and add the suggestion that he should, on his own initiative, invite Japan to immediate adherence and at the same time mediate between Japan and ourselves. Please call the President's attention to the fact that the ruthless employment of our submarines now offers the prospect of compelling England in a few months to make peace.
Signed, Zimmermann

 

So a country at war with another country wanted to attack weapons shipments to their foe? Sounds familiar, and sounds like we were already entangled.

 

How nice to dream -- and why not after all -- is this not the job of the cheer team ? but, its tough when there is no hope .. the only paths are surrender or Die.. Another of Biden's JV-Teams betrayed .. would have been nice if Old Joe could have stayed .. the course .. but alas ... so much remorse.

Ukraine, G7 and Global South countries hold secret meeting on "peace talks" with Russia – Bloomberg
Ukraine, G7 and Global South countries hold secret meeting on "peace talks" with Russia – Bloomberg (msn.com)

Peace Talks mates .. The Global South gonna lead the way .. USA had its day .. but let them on for the ride with G7 by our side..

Peace gonna come Lads .. can whip up a cheer for that .. "Give Peace a Chance" .. Looks like beloved Vlad won this round .. hands down - History books gonna tell how Putin broke the back of USA .. exposed the emperor with no clothes .. the straw that broke the back of the Global Hegemon. .. a Glorious Victory for the Motherland. .. and a whole bunch of new prosperous territory representing the better part of Ukraine's GDP.

Still I wonder about Odesa -- the only Ethnic Russia territory Vlad has yet to take .. and the last access of Ukraine to the Black Sea .. without which Ukraine gonna be land locked and desolate. If they rush to the negotiating table quickly they still might be able to save Odesa .. pay some big reparations .. just maybe Vlad will leave Odesa in the hands of Ukraine.

 

They sank more than that.
The William P. Frye, a four-masted steel barque built in Bath, Maine, in 1901 and named for the well-known Maine senator William Pierce Frye (1830-1911), was on its way to England with a cargo of wheat. On January 27, 1915 it was intercepted by a German cruiser in the South Atlantic Ocean off the Brazilian coast and ordered to jettison its cargo as contraband. When the American ship’s crew failed to fulfill these orders completely by the next day, the German captain ordered the destruction of the ship.

As the first American merchant vessel lost to Germany’s aggression during the Great War, the William P. Frye incident sparked the indignation of many in the United States. The German government’s apology and admission of the attack as a mistake did little to assuage Americans’ anger, which increased exponentially when German forces torpedoed and sank the British-owned ocean liner Lusitania on May 7, 1915, killing more than 1,000 people, including 128 Americans. The U.S., under President Woodrow Wilson, demanded reparations and an end to German attacks on all unarmed passenger and merchant ships. Despite Germany’s initial assurances to that end, the attacks continued.

In early February 1917, when Germany announced a return to unrestricted submarine warfare, the U.S. broke off diplomatic relations with the country. By the end of March, Germany had sunk several more passenger ships with Americans aboard and Wilson went before Congress to ask for a declaration of war on April 2, which was made four days later. The first American ships arrived in Europe within a week, marking a decisive end to U.S. neutrality.

Germans sink American merchant ship

 

If the West Cuts Aid to Ukraine, Russia Will Win. If the West Leans in, Ukraine Can Win.

Fred Kagan writes about why the positional war in Ukraine is not a stable stalemate and how the current balance could readily be tipped in either direction by decisions made in the West.

 

Again, it sounds like we were already entangled. Perhaps travel warnings were warranted.

Besides, I don't consider Europe as a land of democracies. They have turned into WEF mass censoring fascists. I have no desire to defend them anymore.

 

The US was a neutral with every right to trade with the UK.
It seems to me you're really just interested in giving Putin a free hand.

 

Hah! That's rich coming from someone who agrees with the sanctions on Russia.

 

Yes, if a pro-Ukranian is elected POTUS, Ukraine likely will lose the rest of their country.

 

Russia is an outlaw aggressor state.

 

More nonsense.

 

I'm sure the 200 or so nations in the world are waiting on the edge of their seat for the all-wise powers-that-be to determine the next "outlaw aggressor state" that they aren't allowed to trade with.

 

Another fantasy.

 

You do realize that it is your side that has been wrong on EVERYTHING associated with this war. I was wrong about a Russian offensive last winter. I was right (from month 1, sometimes week 1 or even day 1) on:

1. Predicted Sweden and Finland joining NATO before I heard anyone anywhere mention it.

2. Predicted about 500k dead, and that's about where we are.

3. Said that if Ukraine doesn't negotiate, they would be lucky to keep Kherson before Russia had even taken Mariupol.

4. Predicted the sanctions would be ineffective except on me, the American consumer.

5. Predicted a years long conflict when y'all were absolutely convinced it was going to be over in weeks (remember: Putin is running out of gas, then ammo?)

6. Predicted that one by one, the populations of European countries would turn against the war.

7. Predicted a new Russia China partnership.

You guys have been consistently wrong about everything. The front hasn't noticeably changed in over a year. Where does your confidence come from?

 

As Bill Parcells said, "You are what your record says you are."

 

This is excellent.
Failure to aid Ukraine risks disaster — for Kyiv and the U.S.
By Max Boot

Congressional leaders reached an agreement Sunday on a $1.66 trillion budget deal, raising hopes of averting a partial government shutdown later this month. Now it is imperative that Congress reach an agreement on a foreign aid bill that, in addition to funding for Israel and Taiwan, includes roughly $64 billion in vital military, economic and humanitarian support for Ukraine. U.S. funds for Ukraine have run out. If Congress fails to act, the implications for Ukraine and the world are terrifying.

“The consequences of a U.S. aid cutoff would be nothing short of catastrophic,” Alina Polyakova, president of the Center for European Policy Analysis, told me. “Ukrainians won’t stop fighting, but they will eventually lose the war without U.S. support. Many more innocent Ukrainians would be brutally murdered. A Ukraine under Russian control — either politically or militarily — would mean Russia at NATO and E.U. borders. It would mean a U.S. that is greatly diminished as a global leader — I think a Russian win in Ukraine is frankly the end of U.S. global leadership.”

Is Polyakova overstating the case? I don’t think so. A U.S. failure to support Ukraine now — with an aid bill that amounts to about 1 percent of federal outlays — would be the greatest self-inflicted U.S. foreign policy error at least since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and its geopolitical ramifications would be even greater. . . .

 

Yet another way to skin the same cat.

"If there is one clear lesson to draw from this war, it is that today’s battlefield favors defense. Modern weapons, especially drones, advanced artillery, and long-range antitank missiles, make it much easier to hold territory than to capture it. Mobile ground-based air defenses are hard to detect and destroy, giving defenders an advantage over modern air forces."

How Ukraine Can Win Through Defense
A New Strategy Can Protect Kyiv and Stop Moscow From Winning
By Emma Ashford and Kelly A. Grieco
January 10, 2024.
Foreign Affairs
How Ukraine Can Win Through Defense
On December 12, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky traveled to Washington to make an in-person request for military and economic aid for Ukraine,...
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/how-ukraine-can-win-through-defense

 

A Ukrainian loss would also likely mean a lot of US and European military hardware captured by the Z empire. If people are upset over the Taliban getting a few Hummers and such, imagine how upset they would be if the naZis got Patriots, Gepards, more Bradleys, Abrams, Leopard 2s, Marders, M777s, HIMARS, possibly even F-16s, and so much more.

Ukraine can and will win with support, so the RINOs better get their priorities straightened out soon and stop letting themselves be manipulated into doing exactly what Putler wants.

 

They could try back engineer some of that stuff.....even try to use it to attack NATO.

A lot of that hardware is 30-40+ yrs old....and known to the Zegenerates.....what would be far worse is if F22/35s were captured, F117s, B1, B1B bombers, Apache, Cobras, ....the much newer toys.




Hahahaha....OTOH.....massive power outage in Omsk, RuZZia....pop.1000 000.....more than half the city without power....current temperature...-31C(not including windchills), ...gospodeh bohzheh.....LOL.

Also....residents in Podolsk region of Moskva breaking furniture to start fires in parking lot to keep warm......temps around -25c....no power.....hahahahaha....sookah madj.

 

Jack .. Ukraine has already lost - cutting the already dwindling aid will help speed things up and decrease further damage and death .. and the Collective west is not going to "Lean In" such that the suggestion of such by Feddy over at the Institute of how to funnel more taxpayer dollars to Defense contractors - is pure nonsense.

Rules of Engagement Jack -- did no one tell Freddy that Ukraine is not allowed to use "Wonder Weapons" on the Motherland and that in general the West has not provided such weapons capable of attacking the Homeland .. which is what Ukraine would need to be able to do "AT Minimum" to have a chance.

You a Dire Straits fan .. Romeo and Juliet "The Dice were Loaded from the Start" ?!

Surely you realize that if Germany or England .. or .. were to be party to attacks on the Homeland .. to any significant degree .. Russia would start attacking the Homeland of Germany and England .. tit for tat .. and no country in the EU is going to cross that line . nor the US .. nor the Brits at the end of the day..

Sorry to Freddy .. but we are not going to start WW3 over Ukraine .. just another JV-Team left in the Lurch unfortunately. .

 

Yours is a fantasy presentation.

ISW
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, January 10, 2024
Jan 10, 2024 - ISW Press

The Kremlin’s effort to use the mythos of the Great Patriotic War (Second World War) to prepare the Russian public for a long war in Ukraine is at odds with Russia’s current level of mobilization and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s rhetorical attempts to reassure Russians that the war will not have lasting domestic impacts. St. Petersburg outlet Fontanka published an interview with Russian State Duma Defense Committee Chairman Andrei Kartapolov on January 9 wherein Kartapolov stated that even in the “victorious years of 1944 to 1945” the Soviet forces faced difficulties, prompting the interviewer to ask Kartapolov if Russia was now figuratively in 1944-1945 (i.e. nearing the end of the war in Ukraine). Kartapolov attempted to expand the erroneous analogy between the Soviets’ fight against Nazi Germany and Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine by claiming that Russia is currently figuratively somewhere in December 1943 and moving into 1944. The Soviet military launched a series of successful offensive operations following its defensive victory at the battle of Kursk in July 1943 and by December 1943 had reached the banks of the Dnipro River and Kyiv in Ukraine. Kartapolov explained his logic by claiming that Ukrainian forces failed in the summer 2023 counteroffensive in Zaporizhia Oblast in a way similar to Nazi Germany’s losses in battles in 1943. Kartapolov’s analogy makes little sense, particularly given the fact that the Russian forces have not gained notable ground in recent months as the Soviet forces did in the months before December 1943. The interviewer asked Kartapolov if his analogy suggests that Russia’s war in Ukraine will end in 2024, forcing Kartapolov to admit that Russia’s war in Ukraine and the Second World War cannot be literally compared. Kartapolov nevertheless continued to use allusions to the Second World War to claim that the Russian military would continue the war in Ukraine until it installed a “banner over the Reichstag” (i.e. complete victory in Ukraine that achieves all of Putin’s maximalist objectives).

 

No .. unfortunately that would be your dear Freddy's fantasy presentation. It is no secret that Ukraine is not to attack the Russian Homeland with Wonder Weapons .. and dat why many have not been provided .. long range missiles and so on.

Sorry Jack .. it is fantasy to think that Ukraine can beat the Russians without the ability to attack the Russian Homeland and permission from Head Master Biden to do so .. which he will not give.

The JV-Team has to play by the rules I am afraid ..