The Electoral College is ripe for reform

Well that is three times your two and those shift with time and the will of the people in their various states and in which states there are competitive races.

 

It's amazing to me how much they cry foul when someone on the other side does the same thing.

 

No. The great majority of people live in and around cities and those areas represent a very small percentage of the land mass of the nation. The popular vote simply dis-enfrancises those of us who do not live in or around cities. The EC isn't perfect but it is preferable to disenfranchising voters who occupy sparsely the great majority of U.S. land area.

In reality we see both parties succeeding at getting presidents elected. Since federal government is as corrupt and incompetent as it is, it is very common to see party changes because the existing administration has screwed things up corruptly and incompetently. These changes wouldn't happen without the EC. A one party system is the worst kind, despite the fact that political hacks want exactly that. We do a little better with a 2 party system. Perhaps we can get to superior systems like many parties or no parties.

 

Except you guys complain about the few deciding for the many, well 6 out of 50 is just that.

 

That's on you guys.

 

Are we the United People's of America or the United STATES of America?

Does the Constitution grant or even mention a right of individual citizens to cast a vote for President or VP?

Why don't we just get rid of states if this is what you People want?

 

I honestly didn't think this would go much of anywhere, but it looks like they are well on their way to surpassing 200 votes, and they only need 270 for the compact to kick in. I don't know if it will happen this election, but if doesn't happen in this one, and if the winner of the election is the loser of the popular vote, then I think we'll see this become a reality in the following election. Hell, it may even become a reality in this one.

 

Only if they are joined by enough other states to get a MAJORITY off the EC votes.

 

@fmw is assuming that land mass should vote rather than people.

 

And the Congress must approve any such compacts. And then the first time a Trump like candidate wins their tabulation and California is forced to submit it's EC ballot for that candidate watch how fast they back out.

And what exactly would be the enforcement mechanism?

 

The planet you live on is quite interesting. There's nothing like that here on our world of earth. You are welcome to visit our planet, however, and learn more of our ways.

 

Dude, are you even trying to learn? The SAME ****ING ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT ALREADY EXIST. EVERY ****ING STATE HAS LAWS ABOUT HOW THEIR EC VOTES ARE APPOINTED.

 

We got rid of legislatively selected senators
Male only elections
Whites only elections

The anachronism that is the EC needs to go

 

No. I'm just suggesting that a one party system is the worst possible system.

 

There is no evidence of corruption in the sense of one party engaging in massive conspiracy to rig the election via internal machine tampering, ballot stuffing, and such means. .

At the minimum, we could get rid of 'winner takes all' which gives candidates unearned electors which, in my view, is anti-democratic.

 

What is on what guys? Too cryptic for me. Sorry.

 

Whether we have an EC or not has nothing to do with that. In fact, that EC has probably driven the whole "monoparty" thing far more than if it hadn't existed.

 

Since when do tracts of land vote?

 

Actually the opposite is true.
Rural America can't comprehend why the NY metropolitan area with nearly 20M people in in 13k SQ-M can't operate like North Dakota with 4.5% of the population in 8 times the land area.

The problem, of course, occurs when someone from North Dakota decides the need to force their way of life on much more populous areas.
Sure, carrying a sidearm in ND and even firing it into the air to frighten away an animal is reasonably safe
But do the same in NYC and you're likely to hurt/kill someone or seriously damage some property.

Different places and different rules.
This is a good thing.

 

Where you live is irrelevant.

dirt doesn't vote.
states do not vote.
cities do not vote.
only people vote.

The ONLY reason you are against it is that you understand Republicans can't win the hearts and minds of the people.

Well, find another message to sell, because the one you're selling folks don't want it.

 

Since federal government is as corrupt and incompetent as it is

 

Oh. You mean it is on the voters. I agree. However since I don't vote I am an exception to that. So "you" doesn't include me.

 

Not true. City people don't seem to understand country people and tend to make laws that hurt country people which, down the line, hurts city people in the form of higher food prices, higher gas prices, higher raw material prices, etc.

 

That doesn't mean NY and CA decide for the entire country but with numbers like that, they would without the EC which is why the left wants it gone. (they hate to EARN their wins)
SAD

 

Political hacks all want a one party system which is the worst possible system. That has been proven time and again.