Democratic anger over Israel reaches new heights

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I'm glad that you have addressed a point that I have frequently raised: the absence of an Israeli End Game or clear objective for even the immediate future.

I agree that most people following events in the Middle East understood Israel's initial response / retaliation for the murder of about 1,200 innocent civilians and taking of hostages on 7 October 2023.

Today, however, I have never seen so much opposition to any Israeli government in the 60 years I have been following Middle East events nor has this same anger and loud condemnation been more justified than it is today.

You are right that at this stage, the Netanyahu regime is relying too much on what you have characterized as "the military campaign" and a growing number of people are calling a blatant genocide. (1)

It is no secret that the Netanyahu regime has chosen criminal expansionism (i.e. "Settlements") over peace (2) and used the tragic but suspicious Hamas attack as an excuse to "depopulate" and litter Gaza with even more criminal and provocative "Settlements".

To make a volatile situation even worse, the same current Israeli government has already planned to build 3,300 "Settlements" in the West Bank where militant "Settler" / Land Thieves murdered over 120 West Bank Palestinians and expelled 800 Palestinians from their homes of generations.

I wrote earlier that the attack by Hamas was "suspicious" because Israel knew the attack was coming a year before its occurrence and even with the most sophisticated surveillance technology on the planet, either ignored the evidence or intentionally allowed it to happen to have an excuse to exterminate as many Palestinians as possible and steal Gaza in another step toward "Greater Israel".

The murder of about 1,200 people is of course criminal and tragic but it is not the first time that Jews have been willing to sacrifice other Jews for a "Greater Israel" (3) nor does it justify deliberate starvation and the indiscriminate slaughter of nearly 40,000 human beings.

So, after 5 months of rendering Gaza a starving and disease ridden wasteland with well over 30,000 mutilated, burned, crushed and dismembered innocent civilians most of whom were children, Israelis and Jews around the world are less secure than ever.

Apparently, the myopic Netanyahu regime has been so obsessed with exterminating Palestine's long existing non Jewish residents and stealing what little land they have left that they have been oblivious to the fact that there are about 1.8 Billion Muslims in the world and about 15.7 Million Jews.

Additionally, America's history of unconditional support for each and every Israeli crime and atrocity has driven much of the Islamic world into negotiations with BRIC and other countries with less than friendly relations with the US and Israel.

Finally, the crimes of Hamas are indeed intolerable but even if Hamas is miraculously eliminated, Netanyahu's genocidal excesses in Gaza have only served to enlarge the ranks of regional anti Israel combatants exponentially, traumatized and / or enraged future generations and rendered the Netanyahu government an unparalleled global pariah status.

It is just my opinion that continuation of Netanyahu's genocidal folly can only expand into a cataclysmic international conflict if not a disastrous and unwindable war on Islam costing more American lives than any previous conflict.

Thanks,





(1). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/


EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED


(2). The Israeli Settler Movement’s Ugly Postwar Plans for Gaza"
https://newrepublic.com/article/179087/israeli-settler-movement-ugly-postwar-plans-gaza

EXCERPT "For the Israeli settler movement, Hamas’s bloody October 7 incursion presented an opportunity. Barely two months into the Israel Defense Forces’ scouring of the Gaza Strip, the inner core of the movement gathered in a hall in the port town of Ashdod.

They did not wear yellow ribbons, the color of solidarity with the hostages, and did not devote themselves to prayers for the hostages’ return.

They wore orange and prayed for a different restoration: a reconquest of Gaza, the expansion of the Greater Land of Israel, and the dispossession of an entire people." CONTINUED


(3). “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

 

And anyone can pull up Israeli propaganda from their Hasbara Handbook and the transparently false nonsense about "Palestinian human shields" is the most easily debunked myth of all when cowardly IDFers shoot children "for fun".


- “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
https://kalamu.com/neogriot/2014/09...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/

EXCERPT “Footage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine. An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation. Yet, Facebook users have reported that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video.” CONTINUED


Even Israeli media condemns IDF's recreational child killing:

- "11,500 Children Have Been Killed in Gaza. Horror of This Scale Has No Explanation"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...lanation/0000018d-6fe9-d4f1-a18d-fff9c4010000


Yet another regional source intercepted an IDF radio transmission in which another cowardly IDFer is looking for a baby to kill:

- "Israeli soldier says he possibly killed a 12-year-old girl"
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...r-says-he-possibly-killed-a-12-year-old-girl/

EXCERPT "In a leaked video call, an Israeli soldier nonchalantly says, ‘maybe I killed a girl, she was 12, but I'm looking for a baby.’ Israeli forces have killed over 20,000 Palestinians since the start of its military offensive on Gaza on 7 October. Nearly half of those deaths are children." CONTINUED

Finally, if children were really effective "human shields", why do IDFers wear T-shirts bragging about shooting pregnant mothers?


- “Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Dead Palestinian Babies, Bombed Mosques”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_177574.html

EXCERPT “Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques - these are a few examples of the images Israel Defense Forces soldiers design these days to print on shirts they order to mark the end of training, or of field duty. The slogans accompanying the drawings are not exactly anemic either: A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription "Better use Durex," next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him.”CONTINUED

 

I am not posting links from biased sites. I am merely pointing out the irrefutable fact that the region outside Israel is doing the cleansing. Can you point out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government in the surrounding region?

The surrounding region is also conquered land. The side you have chosen to debate is not in a position to criticize Israel from high ground. In the years of debate, I have not seen a single post about improving the lives of the Palestinian people. If only their leadership cared about their people as much as they hate Jews.

 

Don’t people understand this is what Hamas wants. They want the death. Especially innocent. That’s why they attacked. That’s why they’re stealing the food. That’s why they’re killing their own people to keep the food.

Thsts why they shoot rockets above schools and hospitals. That’s why the strap bombs to women and children. They want death.

 

As a very obvious Western, non Muslim, Christian* with a red beard and blue eyes, I spent 10 - 11 months walking, hitch-hiking and living among the Muslims in the Levant and what you call the "surrounding region": (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon etc), I experienced none of the hostility I was told to expect.

The only hostility I experienced was from the elements and ill tempered camels, sand storms, relentless sunlight, scorpions and the heat.

Meanwhile, the everyday Muslims who treated me with generosity, kindness and curiosity gave me rides, shelter, food and water.
The many Muslims who befriended me along the way took their obligations as my host very seriously as is the custom in that culture. It took me a little while to get used to holding hands with another man in public but that, too, was done for my benefit.

Inevitably, my Muslim hosts insisted on showing me nearby archeological sites and introducing me to friends and family who wanted to know all about life in America and were fascinated with American cars, music, movies.

While none of the Muslims I met along the way held he same ignorant bigotry toward Westerners as the ignorant bigotry toward Muslims I have read in many comments written here, there were two questions that I was most frequently asked.
They were:

1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"

2. "Why does America help the Israelis kill Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the toxic nature of a blatantly biased pro Israel Western MSM and the destructive influence of America's treacherous and parasitic Israeli lobbies but the Muslims couldn't understand how so many clever and creative Americans could be so easily deceived and manipulated nor can I.

I've read your comment several times and it sounds like so many other opinions that are based on several decades of Ziono- media brainwashing (1) in which "EvilMuslims" are routinely demonized and "PoorJews" portrayed as angelic and lovable eternal victims.

The proverbial "Elephant in the room" that you omit is that parasitic and treacherous Israeli lobbies manage to extort $ Trillions (2) from working Americans in support of blatant Zionist genocide(3) and expansionism.

Netanyahu's genocidal agenda is so egregious that even the infamously pro Israel CNN reports (4) on IDF systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents via bombing, shooting, starvation, and deprivation of essential medical supplies.

It is America's name on the ordinance that is mutilating, burning and crushing innocent men, women and, primarily, children and for aiding and abetting Netanyahu's genocide, professionally deceived Americans are ensuring Islamic retaliations well into the future.
Therefore, when American schools, hospitals, synagogues and churches start to explode, we have only traitorous "Israel Firsters" and AIPAC policy makers to blame.

Thanks,





(1). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with..." CONTINUED


(2). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED


(3). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED


(4). " Newborns die of hunger and mothers struggle to feed their children as Israel’s siege condemns Gazans to starvation"
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/midd...arvation-siege-mothers-babies-intl/index.html

EXCERPTS "Health workers say they cannot offer life-saving treatment to malnourished Gazans because Israel’s bombardment and siege has crushed the medical system.

UN experts accused Israel of “intentionally starving” Palestinians in Gaza.

The babies of thousands of women “who are due to give birth in the next month in the Gaza Strip are at risk of dying,” the UNICEF State of Palestine Humanitarian Situation report said on Tuesday. At least 5,500 pregnant women “do not have access to prenatal or postnatal check-ups because of bombings and need to flee for safety,” the report said."CONTINUED

 

Would Schumer have slammed the Allies during WW2 for going after the Nazi's in Berlin? Would he have called for safe haven for Hitler in Berlin allowing Hitler to live out his days? Why is it wrong for Israel to completely destroy Hamas?

 

I'm guessing the same Hamas sympathizers would have also protested the Allies for finishing off the Nazis in Berlin. Not one German-American citizen called for a ceasefire during WW2 while Nazis were still alive. Israel has every right to finish the job. That is Israel's right.

 

Would you have cried for the Nazis? Would you have demanded a ceasefire by the Allies before all the Nazis were killed or captured? Would you have called for the Allies to let Hitler live out his days in Berlin with his Nazi storm troopers?

 

At what point would you say that Israel has finished the job?

 

When there isn’t a spokesperson for HAMAS!!! Who’s writing down the data and reporting it? TERRORISTS!!! There was a ceasefire before Hamas decided to murder a bunch of innocent people.

 

So if Hamas dissolves and a new group with the same aims as Hamas come into power Israel will declare war over as Hamas will no longer have any spokepersons?

 

So what does that say about Palestinians if they’re incapable of being civilized by following MORE terrorists? You can’t have peace with a “state” run by terrorist lunatics. Don’t you get that?

Care to guess why the US doesn’t have a beef with Canada? Pretty simple.

 

When did the Allies stop going after Nazis?

 

That does not answer the question

 

The war ended when Germany surrendered

 

That would be the Israeli's call.

 

The NAZIS were obliterated in their Capital, Berlin.

 

Think it did. It means Israel can’t stop defending themselves. If Palestinians wanted peace why aren’t they handing over HAMAS to the IDF? That would end it immediately. There’s no functional govt not that there ever was. Maybe there’s a reason other Muslim states have walls keeping Palestinians out. Why is that?

 

No, all it means is that Israel have no end point to the bombing and occupation of Gaza other than driving all Palestinians out of Gaza.

 

Tough to be in a small minority isn't it? I feel your pain. I'm in one as well but unrelated to Israel.

 

Because palestinians hate jews more than they hate hamas.

 

As long as people next door want to KILL then from the river to the sea and have no interest in living in peace, they hd no choice this time.

 

Well at least you acknowledge that Israel won't stop until all Gaza is cleared of Palestinians one way or another

 

As long as Palestinians keep supporting terrorism, what should Israel do? They can’t be reasoned with. They reject every reasonable action of peace and keep flinging rockets every time peace talks gets close.

How do you live peacefully besides people who want you ALL DEAD!! Israel could have wiped them out at any time they wanted for decades and decades yet they haven’t. They kept trying for peace. Kept giving them chances. And what’re did it get them? Nowhere. Think they finally had enough.

Having your women raped and babies burned alive sort of does that.