Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

COMMUNIST SOCIETY IS STATELESS!!!

Look it up and stop being obtuse!

 

Why don't you look back in this thread and find 3 or 4 posts in which is did that.

 

I was talking about "America's armed forces" as specified by the poster. Are you?

 

Sheesh
That's not SOCIALISM. Capitalists and their government all accepted public schools, the USPS, Medicare, and S.S. When did capitalists accept socialism? Do they not always rally and rave against socialism and even accuse Democrats of being "socialists" in very negative terms?

Socialism is the demise of capitalism!

 

So?

 

IF AOC had said anything that was Anti-American you would have quoted it and linked it.
I don't have a high opinion of socialists or socialism, as my every post in this thread proves.
Actually you've tired to make the case that Democrats are socialists, which they are not. Socialists of any stripe wouldn't have a thing to do with Democrats if is wasn't for the fact that running as a Democrat is the only way they've ever been elected. It's like conservatives or tRumpublicans, they couldn't get elected if they didn't claim their Democrat opponents are socialists, which is a lie; but they never let a little lying get in their way of gaining power.

You're problem is Democrats have never done anything that has harmed America or it's people; since the Civil War. In fact since the Civil war Democrats have traded places with Republicans/tRumpublicans and have worked hard for equal rights, good pay for ALL Americans, jobs, equitable taxes and fair economic policy.

On the other hand it's been the Republicans/tRumpublicans that have done everything in their power to destroy the middle class and working America. Reagan wasn't the first but his polices brought the end to America being the Worlds manufacturer of quality goods. It was his policy's of trickle down that paved the way for outsourcing American industry and jobs, jobs that has paid good wages, provided bennifits and a good retirement disappeared to the far east.

It was the conservative economics of Freedman, which Reagan bought into that ended the American dream for working America, not Democrats.

The laugh is that you haven't posted one example other wise.

If you're going to equate progressives and socialists; NO, Democrats would not be progressives. But if you equate "progressives" as forward thinkers, that realize what's best for America is was is best for MOST Americans, then yes Democrats are progressive.

My argument is that IF Comer Pyle had any real evidence against President Biden, he would have impeached him. But, all he as is hearsay and innuendo that makes good sound bytes for Faux Lies, but would make him look the fool he is during an impeachment hearing.

Unfortunately for you President is proving, everyday, that he as better mental acuity than tRatior tRump, his policies have done more for working Americans than tRaitor tRump could ever hope to, but worse yet, many-many-many times more than he intends to.

 

Socialist loses all meaning if it's little more than an epithet.

Rightwing propagandists equate government spending with socialism.

Most self-identified progressives are not also identifying as socialist or communist.

Propaganda Alert!

Not yet, but it may be coming.

Only in the sense traditional inflation fighting measures would have created a nasty recession. A surtax on high incomes would have been less painful on lower- and middle-income folks. Can't have that, can we? We can't have average folks sharing in the increased wealth.

Yeah, sure--if our social spending is "massive," it must be "colossal" in a lot of other countries.

What I want is social justice where average folks earn enough money to take care of themselves. The system turned on average folks in 1981.

Oh, please...



Federal spending has been around 20% of GDP for 50 years.

You're subsidized in ways you may not appreciate.

Better to starve out your working class brothers and sisters? Most of them do benefit from government supports in a lot of areas.

The only reason we're drowning in debt is pols are unwilling to tax us for what we're spending. It's not as though we can't afford it. (See the spending graph above.)

You seem to have some wrong information about the economy.

 

There has never been a successful socialist state.

 

If she thought or said anything worth quoting I might quote it and link it.

You have a high opinion of AOC, so your posts disagree with you.

Actually, I stated that "progressives" are socialists.

Of course, many "progressives" are Demokrats and 76% of Demokrats say they'd vote for a socialist for president, so there's that.

Surely, socialists are grateful that Demokrats would elect them.

What does that tell you about Demokrats??

My problem is that Demokrats are authoritarian collectivist Alinskyites who 1) only care about power and 2) **** up everything they touch.

Never mind that Reagan turned around the broken economy Demokrat Jimmy Cardigans Carter handed him and millions of working Americans such as myself have gone on to live their version of the American Dream. Thanks, Ronnie!

But never mind the man who still pisses off "progressives" around the world because he helped bring down their collectivist utopias in Europe...



...who is this Freedman dude/chick???

The laugh is your redwash didn't make a damned bit of sense, but thanks for the laugh.

Yet many are, and many vote/would vote for them.

No, the socialists who hide behind the "progressive" facade/euphemism are actually backward thinking regressives who only care about power. Forward thinkers want to empower Americans to run their own lives, they don't want to empower government to run their lives for them like "progressives"/Demokrats do.

That's not a strong argument. Comer will get around to impeaching Quid Pro Quo Traitor Joe when him and his colleagues are ready to do so, and it's a safe bet that they're going to do it during the general election season when it will inflict the most political damage on Traitor Joe. Don't be surprised if his impeachment becomes this year's "October Surprise".

LOL - Corrupt and Demented Traitor Joe won't take a mental acuity test because he knows he can't pass one. Trumpelstiltskin is no towering intellect, but at least he can pass a mental acuity test.

 

I find this very interesting. What does "very far left" mean? What constitutes "very far left" politics?

And could you contrast it with "very far right"?

Thanks.

 

"socialism" as you call it is becoming more popular, because, even though the productivity of the US has never been higher, NONE of those benefits are filltering down to the employees.

Until we find a way to empower MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASS people, instead of only the investor classes, these policies will continue to grow in popularity.


You want to stop socialism in its tracks? Stop rewarding the 1% at the expense of the 99%

 

Likely for good reason.

 

If you’re going to say there has ever been a successful Capitalist state you need to define ‘success’.

 

Well, it can be an epithet, too.

I'm sure some Lefties do too because some government spending is socialist. Whether that socialism is good or bad depends on the case.

Not in public. The socialists who hide behind that ridiculous euphemism do so because 1) they lack the courage of their convictions and 2) they know that unlike the 76% of Democrats who would vote for a socialist most Americans will not. It's political suicide to come out of the ideological closet.

TRUTH. 18% cumulative inflation since that spendthrift took office, and that is one of the main reason why Americans are worse off today than they were before Biden took office.

It arrived some time ago, and it is likely to get worse in the months ahead.

I believe your surtax is unconstitutional, and besides, we can't tax our way out of this. The rich don't have enough money to cover the debt the debt that Washington is racking up. Hello!

How is high inflation helping lower and middle class folks? It certainly isn't helping this middle class schlub and it can't be helping the poor. There's a limit to everything, and there comes a point - and we're reaching that now - where "helping" the lower and middle class is doing more harm than good. I'll be reminded of that tonight when I walk out of the grocery store.

I don't live in other countries. I live in a country where the government is $34 trillion in debt, on the hook for another $213 trillion and shoveling out nearly a quarter of its income just to pay the interest on that debt.

It's not the Golden Age of the mid-1950s to mid-1960s anymore, America. Quit pretending that it is, because if you don't, the consequences are going to be a lot worse than the alternative.

What you want is socialism.

Bullshit.

https://www.usdebtclock.org

Look at that damned thing go...

No problem here. We'll just hand our children and grandchildren the tab...

Federal spending has been around 20% of GDP for 50 years.

What's the debt up to - 121% of GDP?

Debt-to-GDP ratios above 77% can hinder economic growth and (in some cases) place a country at risk of defaulting on its debts, which could wreak havoc on its economy and financial markets.

Perhaps, we could stretch that danger level to 90-100%, but we're still well over that and at current spending levels it soar much higher.

More likely I'm doing the subsidizing, and I'm okay with that to an extent, but as I mentioned earlier there are limits to everything.

Most of my working class brothers and sisters aren't on government assistance nor do they want to be. They're probably just as appalled with our government's profligacy and, worse yet, its encouragement of dependency, as I am. They're adults - they understand the consequences of what our government is getting us into.

Far from it.

The only reason we're drowning in debt is because too many Americans don't think we have a spending problem and that we can magically tax our way out of that problem. They're living in a fantasy world.

I'm willing to face reality. I'm not OK with self-serving politicians in Washington pissing away our prosperity so that one day we won't be able to keep this country from turning into a Dickensian nightmare where we can't look after the people we would like to look after. If we don't stop pretending everything is fine and we don't get our fiscal house in order that's exactly what's going to happen. Imagine every city and town in this country winding up like New York and Chicago where the mayors, aid groups and residents are screaming to high heaven because the bennies, services and money have all run out.

 

I can see you know nothing about economics. The only absurd thing is your presumption.

Public schools are owned and run by the government--the essence of collectivism.

 

Yes, and will never exist in a world of nation states.

 

Just mention one that has been stateless? Then I will not my head in agreement.

 

Excellent stuff.

Note the money quote:

This resolution is part of the original foundation of what I mentioned in the OP: the stakeholder fascism with its ESG program/index that has become fashionable in some rather lofty circles on the Left these days and embraced by the likes of current U.S. President Joe Biden, WEF Founder & Chairman Klaus Schwab and BlackRock Chairman & CEO Larry Fink:

“It’s way past time to put the end to the era of shareholder capitalism..."
--Joe Biden

Another founding element was contributed by the German National Socialists in 1937:

The votaries of this warmed-over version of Italian and German fascism usually promote it under the self-conflicted term "stakeholder capitalism", when in fact it is stakeholder fascism.

In 2018, Elizabeth Warren got in on this, too (from the article above):

Interesting. Evidently, Fauxcahontas, like Joe Biden, is a proponent of stakeholder fascism.

But this should hardly come as a surprise. At the core of the stakeholder fascism that has become popular on the Left these days lies the ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) initiative and index that the stakeholder fascists in the Biden Administration, Congress and corporate America are pushing on companies and investors. Like its Italian and German predecessors, it features corporations pushing a political agenda under the aegis of the State (more specifically Democrats in the State), e.g., the Democratic Party's so-called "Green" and "Woke" agendas, that are also in line with the globalists at the UN and WEF and their pals in the public and private sectors around the world.

When one understand the origins of stakeholder fascism it's easier to understand what it's all about today.

 

My opinion of AOC has nothing to do with you trashing her without ANY backing facts. <-Period
You just run on about how terrible she is but can offer anything to back it up.

All progressives are not socialists. Your example is perceptive; Democrats are progressive ... thinkers. But, that doesn't mean democrats are socialists. The problem with accusing Democrats of voting for socialists is it doesn't take into account what the choice was. Or what the particular socialist they voted for believed in. Many socialists do not believe that Socialism should be instituted, but that socialist ideals that take in the well being of every American should be considered when passing legislation that affects all Americans. I know conservatives are conditioned to put down Saul Alinsky because he mentored President Obama. But if you look at his life, seroulsly, you find that Saul Alinsky devoted it to helping the underprivileged almost exclusively, and he was very successful in getting polling places located in poor districts. He help with housing and getting food for poor Americans. He did NOTHING to harm anyone. He did nothing to hurt our Country. His crimes were he helped people.

Of course Reagan succeeded in bringing America out of a recession. He was the first president to take the growth rate of our national debt exponential! He increased our debt in one term than all other Presidents before him .... COMBINED. Single handedly he ensured our America would always have unmanageable debt growth.

Milton Friedman (sorry about the misspelling) was the Chicago School economist that dreamed up supply side / trickle down economics that has been the reason so many Americans have been impoverished and our industry was shipped overseas.

Comer Pyle may yet make an even bigger fool of himself. TRumpublicans are in a race to the deepest, slimiest part of the sewer.

LOL! TRaitor tRump "is no towering intelect" ...


BINGO!!!!

 

I believe you're correct.

 

Did you mean you "will knot [your] head in agreement"?

There has been no communist country, but you have no idea why.

 

And yet you seem singularly unable to explain it.

But why do you think Biden wants to end stakeholder capitalism/fascism? Do you understand what it's doing to us?

 

Yet every country in the west also has private schools as well.

 

Duh . . . . If there has not been a country that was stateless, then by definition THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY.

duh

 

This is an interesting question -- The reason we are where we are .. is due to intentional but unintended brain washing.. kind of a "They know not what they do" kind of thing.

The key to manufacture consent for increased Gov't power .. and/or the removal of limitations to Gov't power. With this in mind the adherent must be convinced that Gov't is inherently good and will not abuse its power .. and/or the risk of such abuse is a small price to pay for some perceived harm reduction or benefit to the collective. Obedience to authority is primary .. not questioning authority a must .. for the collective good.

With this in mind the adherent is trained to accept that Utilitarian justification for Law is legitimate .. which opens the door to fallacious utilitarianism as justification for law .. which is a major violation of the founding principle .. doing an end run around the safeguards put in place by the founders to protect 1) essential liberty via 2) limitations to Gov't Power via 3) Constitutional Republic .. the point of which is to put Essential Liberty Above the legitimate authority of Gov't .. above and beyond .. "Do not Touch" the entire point of a constitutional republic is to define what Gov't is not allowed to touch .. no power .. no legitimate authority ..

And what is not to agree with .. who does not agree that the power of Gov't should be limited ? Go around . Ask anyone Should power of Gov't be limited or unlimited ? Of course there is a moron and/or Sociopath in every crowd so expect a few enthusiastic votes for "Unlimited Power" in the crowd . .. but .. generally .. in our disfunctional democracy the vast majority will get this simple question right.

Those would would trade Essential Liberty for temporary Security Deserve neither - Said Franklin (generally over fear of an external threat is the historical model to justify the trampling of dear Liberty) "Give me Liberty or Death" is our slogan for a reason right ?

But but, then why you all get sucked in by the fallacious utilitarianism .. which violates the claim to want limitations to gov't power.. We would be lucky to have 1 in 10 here .. not duped. and guess what .. if you are not realizing the dupage at this point .. you are one of the duped.

but hey .. yer in the company of the vast majority... that don't understand that the "Patriot Act" .. made it your patriotic Duty to trade liberty.. for security .. over a fallacious risk of harm .. the risk of which is 400 times less than the risk of harm from walking . Yes .. Walking ... you heard correctly,

You need to give up your privacy .. for the good of society .. Utilitarianism looks only at what will increase happiness for the collective - reduce harm for the collective. individual liberty is not considered not factored into the equation. Thus removing the limitations to gov't power.. removing the Constitution from the game .. and thus why such arguments an anathema to the founding principle and constitutional republic.

For example -- you are trained to accept that "if it saves one life" on its own volition .. is justification for law .. and why not .. sounds so good on the surface .. who does not want to save a life .. "DON'T YOU" ?? You awful person .. why don't you want to save a life ..

If indeed you agree .. as almost all of you have in one form or another .. that this is valid justification for law .. because "WE WANT TO SAVE LIVES DO WE NOT PEOPLE" ? har har har... better ban Prostitution because someone might catch disease .. Pot because the cotton farmers were worried about competition from Hemp .. or because of the precious children .. don't want to set a bad example.

You can just make up anything you like .. it is completely arbitrary .. any made up justification will do .. fallacious much of the time .. where the stated Law makes things worse not better ...

KK - so .. IF "If it saves one life" is valid justification for law .. as all you collectivists in the crowd want desperately to believe .. we should Ban Skiing right !? would that not save a few lives .. What about Boating .. that is really dangerous .. one could drown .. Driving a Car ?? what are you thinking - ring ding a ling -

In fact .. one should probably not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break neck down the stairs .. or go for a walk .. having a risk of harm 400 times greater than the risk of harm we were trying to prevent.. by the Patriot Act ..

These same numbers apply to smoking by-laws .. smoking on outdoor patio's for example - absurd nonsense .. a risk of harm lower than that of a passing car .. and that is each one . the equivalent and more of your sitting next to a smoker outdoors .. never mind being 5 tables over in the non smoking section .. orders of magnitude less than ZERO risk of harm over ambient .. Just saying..

We don't teach the founding principle through 12 years of school .. "Legitimacy of Authority" .. Why one should obey the Law .. What is legit and what is not legit authority of Gov't the basics.. nor the basics of Philosophy .. logical fallacy - what constitutes a valid argument -- critical thinking.

How is the voter to weed through the daily cacophony of bad argument and fallacy raining down from the media and political pundits without these most basic of tools in the box ? Without an informed electorate (informed in the basics stated above . no Ph.D required .. need to know the founding principle inside out .. forwards and backwards .. that's it in a nutshell) and fair and free media .. there is no such thing as a Functional democratic process .. and the Beast will take over .. Power corrupts .. and more power corrupts more.. all Gov'ts go bad at some point.

200 years ago the founders put in place a few safeguards .. to limit the power of Gov't .. for 200 year's Gov't .. by its very nature wants more power .. has been trying to remove those safeguards .. and it has now succeeded and 90% of you are guilty in the slide down the slippery slope.