Skyrocketing Massive Vax Induced Heart Injuries!

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Yes and that is why VAERS is RAW DATA :roll: Do you really think this is legit or is it an attempted scam to get some monetary compensation fir falling over whilst pissed out of her skull
     
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    Of course it’s raw data. VAERS data reporting is required by law as part of the legislation which eliminated liability for vaccine manufacturers. The person in question was not told to avoid alcohol after her shingles vaccination. She had an adverse reaction after vaccination which was reported by law.
     
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    Very scientific.
     
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    Nope! Not necessarily and this one looks sensationalist by its cover. Have you independently verified those stats?
     
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    Orrrr she simply drank too much, lost track of the number of drinks she had, didn’t eat before she drank, the bartender was pouring too generously, she was drinking Aussie beer and not as weak as American beer……..
     
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    An investigation by the CDC and FDA would have revealed the details and wojld have identified like incidents resulting in a warning not to drink alcohol after a shingles vaccination. Not everyone might be adversely affected but nevertheless a warning should be given to everyone receiving the shingles shot.
     
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    You can tell a book by its cover?? Breathtaking and delusional.
     
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    You are assuming it is vaccine related. I cannot even imagine the physiological change that would have to occur for that to be so. Could you suggest a physiological reason for this reaction?
     
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    Nope! But I can tell it by the online reviews and the author is NOT in the medical profession
     
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    But those he interviews in the book are. Heard of investigative journalism?
     
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    No I am not. That is up to the investors from the CDC and FDA. You are assuming that there could not possibly be an adverse reaction in sime people from drinking alcohol after shingles vaccination.
     
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    https://openvaers.com/
     
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    Totally irrelevant to the OP! By your "standards" you should be screaming at the OP for them to damn well investigate their own claims before deceptively going public. These have already been answered by the US military - go find their answer.
     
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    the virus caused the increase, not the vaccine
     
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    Sorry everything government does is political. I can't believe you would want your tax dollars used to investigate 6 figures of incidents. They didn't and they won't and that is the only positive thing I see here. If drug companies were legally responsible for side effects of their products, they and their products would disappear. Good law. Incidentally health care is not a constitutionally enumerated power of federal government.

    No relation to the topic. We aren't discussing medical murders.
     
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    The testimony in the book is absolutely on topic. It is he responsibility of the CDC and FDA by law to investigate the VAERS reports. Our tax dollars would be well spent doing so.

    We actually are discussing medical malpractice as the result of the protocols set forth and enforced in the treatment of hospitalized covid patients. The declaration of a Public Health Emergency in the US and the implementation of Emergency Utilization Authorizations allowed actions which resulted in the needless deaths of many infected with the covid virus.
     
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    It's relevant to those harmed by the vaccines and required by law.
     
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    Are you claiming VAERS reports aren't investigated? :roll: :lol:
     
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    Because there is no physiological rationale for such a reaction and using Occam’s razor the simpler explanation is she had one too many
     
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    Are you claiming all if them are?
     
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    Answer the question, evasion noted: Are you claiming VAERS reports aren't investigated?

    Of course not every one of them is investigated!

    Defending VAERS: Between Public Health Safeguard and Misinformation Minefield | The BMJ

    "However, VAERS is often misunderstood due to its nature of accepting unverified public submissions, leading to misconceptions about the correlation between the number of reports and causality (4). This issue has been amplified in critiques, such as those from the BMJ (5), which highlight VAERS' flaws without fully acknowledging its limitations, thereby potentially affecting public perception of vaccine safety and aiding anti-vaccination groups in misusing VAERS data.

    The misuse of VAERS data has been particularly evident during the COVID-19 pandemic. Anti-vaccination activists have leveraged this data to make exaggerated and misleading claims about the safety of these vaccines. For instance, they misinterpreted data to claim specific vaccine lots were more dangerous, dubbing them “hot lots.” This claim was based on flawed logic, disregarding that larger lots naturally have more reports due to the higher number of doses administered (4). Additionally, anti-vaccination activists developed their own VAERS search tools, further fueling misinformation by incorrectly presenting VAERS reports as direct consequences of vaccines, labeling health issues as “side effects” or “vaccine-caused” incidents without established causality (6)."

    What VAERS Is (And Isn’t) | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health (jhu.edu)
    "While VAERS cannot determine whether an adverse event was caused by a vaccination, patterns in reporting may suggest a need for further evaluation to assess potential safety concerns.

    Since the emergence of COVID-19 vaccines, however, the database has garnered more dubious notoriety. Anti-vaccination fringe groups have attempted to spin false stories using VAERS data, adding to misinformation about the safety of COVID-19 vaccinations.

    Why VAERS Exists

    VAERS serves as an early warning system for unforeseen problems with approved vaccinations that might be worth investigating scientifically. Often, these problems are so rare that they don’t appear until after clinical trials when a much larger population receives vaccinations.

    VAERS is great at identifying signals of potential concern, says Kawsar Talaat, MD, an associate professor in International Health and co-director of clinical research for the Institute for Vaccine Safety. “Some of those signals end up panning out as true safety issues, and some don’t.” For example, VAERS data helped doctors adjust the childhood polio vaccine schedule in 1997 in response to the 8–10 cases of vaccine-induced paralysis they learned had been occurring annually, according to the CDC’s published reports. That change greatly reduced the rare instances of severe side effects after polio vaccinations.

    VAERS data also first surfaced reports of myocarditis following the second dose of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine. After extensive review, scientists determined that the benefits of the vaccine ultimately outweigh the increased risk of myocarditis observed in some of the vaccinated (primarily males ages 12–29). Moreover, additional studies show the risk of myocarditis to be 16 times greater among those infected with COVID-19 than the uninfected, suggesting that full vaccination is helpful in preventing myocarditis and other complications of the disease."

    Further:

    "How VAERS Works
    When researchers notice a pattern, such as an uptick in side effects after a particular vaccination or among a particular group of patients, such as women over 65 or people with diabetes, they can follow up by investigating with other safety monitoring systems, such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which can connect adverse events to medical records and reports from health care facilities and practitioners. Importantly, in addition to being verified, this data includes controls, Talaat says. That's because medical data for women over 65 or diabetics would include reports from both vaccinated and unvaccinated patients.

    VAERS doesn’t reveal how many people report the same reaction, nor how many in an unvaccinated population report the same thing. By following up with other monitoring systems, researchers can determine if, for example, the population of people who report getting arthritis after a vaccine is the same as a control group getting arthritis in the same period, which would rule out the vaccine as the cause.

    “The COVID vaccine especially is where VAERS has gotten so misused,” Talaat says. “Eighty percent of people in this country have gotten at least one dose. Well, a lot of things have happened to 80% of people in the last two years that are unrelated to the vaccine.”

    In particular, Talaat adds, many anti-vaccination proponents misattributed reported deaths after COVID-19 vaccination as evidence that the vaccines are not safe. “You are supposed to report deaths in a certain period after vaccination,” she says. “But the reality is, if you are 90 years old and have a heart attack, or diabetes, or are in the hospital [at the time of vaccination], it’s probably not related [to the vaccination].”

    Still, a team investigates each report of death. So far, the only deaths related to COVID-19 vaccination have been extremely rare cases after the Johnson & Johnson vaccine."
     
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    From the data of October 2023 which lists 1.6 million serious adverse health events shortly after vaccination you are claiming that they have all been investigated? Where is the report on the causes of ~ 36K deaths? I would like to read it.
     
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    And the pattern continues. You quote an entire post and completely ignore professional assessments.

    And your statement bolded, had you read my reply properly the simple statement would not have confused you! I've restated it in red for you!

    Answer the question, evasion noted: Are you claiming VAERS reports aren't investigated?

    Of course not every one of them is investigated!
     
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    I don't care about expert assessments. You stated yourself that all VAERS are not investigated. How many of the 1.6 million have been investigated? Where are the reports on these investigations.
     
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    So we disagree.
     
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