Individual mandate PART 2

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  1. onalandline

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    I pay my taxes. How about you?
     
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    I said -way back- it's a tax bill. Now the SCOTUS has said so too.
    Dems will have to defend it. They cannot deny it with any cred. It's gonna be a long four months for them if they're gonna try to stick with the load of bull, denying it's a tax.
    We'll get the word out every day. hahahaha:-D
     
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    Health care polls

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html
     
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    To show JUST how unconstitutional is this decision, let’s look at the Congressional Power to Tax. Congress can only Constitutionally levy the following taxes.

    Duties - Commerce . a specific or ad valorem tax imposed by law on the import or export of goods.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Duties?o=100084&qsrc=2894&l=dir

    Imposts -(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a tax, esp a customs duty
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/impost

    Excises - An internal tax imposed on the production, sale, or consumption of a commodity or the use of a service within a country
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Excises

    Capitation - a fee or payment of a uniform amount for each person.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Capitation?o=100084&qsrc=2894&l=dir


    Those were the ONLY taxes allowed under the Constitution until the Democrats (mostly) got the Sixteenth Amendment passed for the Income tax. :roll: They weren’t honest with the American People and tell them they were going to model the income tax after Communist Pillar #2. (A heavy progressive or graduated income tax, straight out of the Communist Manifesto) but that is a side note of history. Democrats DID get the amendment passed legally, although I still don't think the amendment allows a progressive income tax since all other taxes in the Constitution must be levied equally, and the amendment states no different. Oh those Democrats are wile ones indeed, but I digress...

    OK the Congress has the POWER to levy the above taxes. Obamacare’s Mandate Tax is not a duty or impost as it does not tax imported goods. It is not a capitation or income tax because not all pay the tax. It sounds like it may be a tax on activity, or an Excises tax, yet what is actually being taxed is NON activity which by definition does not make it an excise tax, or an event tax on an activity at all. Roberts did not say what kind of tax it was because this is now a NEW ROBERTS tax. If Democrats want to create such a ROBERTS tax allowing the taxing of a NON event or NON activity they again must get a Constitutional Amendment like they did for the Income Tax. They can also get an amendment allowing them to control the healthcare industry both across state lines and within a state while there at it. See how the Constitution and American history must bend over backwards and take it to allow Democrat aspirations?
    :puke:
     
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    Right......so our President, who is a constituional law professor, and the supreme court, know less than you about the constitution.....

    Man.....accept it.....Healthcare Reform opponents lost.

    Get past it.......you still have a ways to go.....next bargaining, anger, depression, tha acceptance.
     
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    Yep, it's amazing, the Monday morning quarterbacks are still trying to figure out why the Supreme Court is wrong. It's no wonder, one of their own leaders, Rand Paul, said, "just because Supreme Court Justices say it's constitutional does not mean it is constitutional" - how ignorant is that?
     
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    You mean like Citizens United?
     
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    Again with that?
     
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    The constitutional law professor that did not know the mandate was unconstitutional, the SC that even has the swing voter dissenting Roberts last minute switch, and Healthcare INSURANCE reform.

    No wonder you guys don't understand the issues.
     
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    How many times does it have to be repeated to you, bill originating in the house must be one raising revenues. The bill they "tagged" to did not.

    I could care less what happened in your state. This is a federal matter.
     
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    This is a great example of the "denial" stage of grieving
     
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    I'm struck by De Ja Vu....but is that supposed to ring a bell with me?....
     
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    Sorry, nothing to do with you. Just tired of the phony "constitutional law professor" meme.
     
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    Didn't Obama teach consitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004?

    Or was that like a "birther" or "grader" thing?
     
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    It would be worth voting Romney in just to see reactions when he did nothing of the sort. However, those who can think for themselves already left the republicans after 8 years of Bush, and we need thinking democrats to wake up now to cement an independent lock on voting. It will take 4 more years of Obama for them to give up on the democrats.
     
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    He taught there, but he was never a "Constitutional Law Professor." His title was Senior Lecturer.
     
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    This has got to be the most stupid quote regarding the Healthcare Act:

    'Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be "constitutional" does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.'
    - Sen. Paul Rand (R, Ky)

    Will someone please tell this ignoramus that the Court voted the Act constitutional by a 5-4 decision, not 2-7. The Supreme Court determines whether a law is constitutional, not the President, not Congress, not some 2-bit clown senator. While you are at it please change his diaper, he wet it.

    Oh, he's from Kentucky, home of the Creationist Museum, it all figures, it would take a bunch of kooks to elect him senator.
     
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    This has got to be the most stupid quote regarding the Healthcare Act:

    'Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be "constitutional" does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.'
    - Sen. Paul Rand (R, Ky)

    Will someone please tell this ignoramus that the Court voted the Act constitutional by a 5-4 decision, not 2-7. The Supreme Court determines whether a law is constitutional, not the President, not Congress, not some 2-bit clown senator or any private citizen. While you are at it please change his diaper, he wet it.

    Oh, he's from Kentucky, home of the Creationist Museum, it all figures, it would take a bunch of kooks to elect him senator.
     
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    But I don't think anyone has ever found anyone who attended a lecture or a written copy of them.
     
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    Knowledge of the Constituion does not automatically mean they follow it. In fact, it may better enable them to skirt around it.

    Sure the SCOTUS ruled in favor of HCR by a 5/4 margin. Recent news reports are slowly uncovering the fact that Roberts may have been an 11th hour supporter due to poltical pressure.

    The Obamacare Tax is unconstitutional. There is no provision for it.
     
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    If Obamacare was unconstitutional, then it would be Republican Roberts that doesn't know, hmmmm.
    However, since 5 out of 9 claimed it was Consntitutional, it is Constitutional, so the one that doesn't know is you.
    You might want to rethink that.

    New poll: Support for the new health care law rising after Supreme Court ruling
    http://www.examiner.com/article/new...th-care-law-rising-after-supreme-court-ruling


    No, what we understand is why anybody would not want "affordable healthcare" - very telling!
     
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    Wait till that one bites Reps/cons in the butt - they'll be singing a different tune.
     

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