A Study - Why Killing is Natural

A very interesting find and study;

We all know that the majority of us eat meat and vegetables (omnivorous) and of course we have to kill animals to get meat. The majority of us have no problems with this and are quite happy to eat meat. Of course a few of us brand the killing of animals "cruel and unfair" and then quite happily eat a beef burger as of course they don't mind it if they don't have to watch the animal die and if it's killed in a "humane" way.
This is another point that annoys me, what is a "humane killing"? When you think of humanity as a race that has an endless history of self inflicted war and suffering the idea of "humane killings" seems a bit strange. Animals are not human and never will be.

Of course this is another interesting point. What separates humans from animals? Well a lot of people will answer "We're more advanced" or "We have society and order" interesting replies actually. Humans aren't much more advanced than animals, yes we have a larger cranial capacity and we have mastered construction and yet we still live of our instincts to some degree. This is where the reply "We have society and order" comes in. What exactly is society? Society is merely an illusion created by humans to give us some sense of meaning and add some value into our lives. Society is the little thing that tells you that you've got to be somewhere at a certain time and that it's "important".

As humans are such a tribal race we create our own societies within societes (social classification) another form of natural selection. Now each of us have our own social rank and we act accordingly.So while you've been listening to all of this you may be wondering how killing comes into this. Have any of you read "Lord of the Flies"? If you haven't go away and read it because this will spoil the storyline

Story Line


Set during World War II, the story describes the plight of a group of British schoolboys stranded on a Pacific island after their plane was shot down en route to England. Two of the boys, Ralph and Piggy, discover a conch in the lagoon near the beach and use it to call all the other survivors, setting up a mock democratic government with Ralph as leader. Piggy continues to advise and give logic and reason to Ralph's rule. A signal fire, kindled with the lens of Piggy's glasses, is established on the mountain to call passing ships to their rescue while shelters are constructed.

However, the school's choir leader, Jack, soon becomes obsessed with hunting the pigs of the island and loses sight of Ralph's democratic vision. Further discord results with an increasing fear of a supposed "beast" on the island, stemming particularly from the younger boys dubbed the "littluns." Jack eventually abandons any thought of being rescued, content instead with hunting and killing pigs with his choir boys turned into hunters. Jack later speaks out of turn during their assembly meetings and eventually leaves the group to start a "tribe." Other children gradually defect to his side except for Ralph, Piggy, Simon and the twins Samneric (Sam and Eric). One by one these children are eliminated from the opposition.

Upon discovering the beast the boys had all feared on the mountain is only the rotting corpse of a pilot whose plane had been shot down near the island, Simon runs down from the mountain to share this happy news. However the boys (including Ralph, Piggy, and Samneric) are all, following Jack's example, caught up in a primal ritual celebrating the murder of a pig they have just eaten and Simon runs into the midst of this. Mistaken to be the beast, Simon is killed by the boys' spears.

Ralph, Piggy, and Samneric remain resistant to joining Jack's tribe. They attempt to cling to the democracy they had set up, still using the conch to call an assembly and struggling to keep a signal fire burning on the beach. Then Jack and his hunters attack the four and steal Piggy's glasses to kindle the fire he needs for pig-roasting fires. Angry and blinded, Piggy decides to go to the place on the island called Castle Rock where the hunters have set up a base. Reluctantly, Ralph and Samneric agree and upon arriving Roger stops them at the gate. Jack emerges from the forest and begins to fight with Ralph while Piggy stands nearby shrieking in fear, wanting only for his sight be restored by retrieving his glasses. Samneric are seized at Jack's command by the hunters and Roger, Jack's second-in-command, drops a large boulder on the head of Piggy, killing him and shattering the conch which he holds in his hands. Ralph alone is left to flee, with no friends left to aid him. Samneric have become hunters as well and betray the secret of his hiding place in the forest to Jack. The island is set ablaze and hunters fan out to kill Ralph with their spears, the sole remaining opposition to their tribe, as even now he tries to cling to his old democratic ideas.

Running wildly and suddenly becoming savage himself, Ralph stabs with his spear at the hunters pursuing him, chased by all until he at last comes to the beach. The shelters he had built with such labor are in flames and, falling at last upon the sand with the sea before him and nowhere left to run, Ralph looks up to see a naval officer. Rescue comes at last to the boys' aid, seeing the smoke from the mighty blaze set by Jack's hunters after Ralph's signal fire had earlier failed to alert anyone of their presence. When the officer expresses disapproval for the savage state and chaos to which the boys have reverted, Ralph breaks down in tears. Soon, all the hunters begin crying at the sight of grown-ups on the beach. Ralph weeps for "the end of innocence" and "the darkness of man's heart."


So now you know the story you see how these young children have had western morals imprinted on them since an early age and how some of the group begin to reject these morals in favour of a "feral" lifestyle and this facilitates killing. Of course Ralph and Piggy had these morals imprinted so deeply on them they clung onto them until the end.

But who may I ask comes out on top? The feral children. This is because they adapted to their environment and learnt to follow human instinct which is if neccesary to kill your fellow man. Also you may have noticed that they followed the "tribal instinct" as well.

In conclusion I just want to say that before some of you start lecturing others on how wrong it is to kill and steal just remember. Who's telling you it's wrong? Your instincts or society?
sas01

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"If killing is evil, why would nature or God leave us sharp natural objects?"
Tezelian Commando, Pvt. Ehrag Mul, 2nd Death-squad Platoon, massacre of esta, District Conflict, 2nd Age.

 

It's called a conscience that separates humans from animals....and having the ability to feel compassion and empathy for those in pain and suffering....

To kill in self-defense (or to protect your loved ones) is a natural instinct for survival, But to kill someone just b/c you feel like it is unnatural and abnormal... that's called a sociopath/psychopath - someone w/o a conscience.

To steal food to prevent starvation is also a natural instinct for survival. To steal something just b/c you want it is called a crime and you're punished for it.... yeah, a law set up by society's rules - what a bummer, huh?

Do you always believe everything you read? Not smart.....

 

Compassion and empathy? Personally I have none for humans.

Killing is natural and it's in the human nature, not everybody is a saint like you, but do you personally empathise with the 34,000 children that die a day?

Just accept everybody is different.

Humans have been killing each-other for thousands of years... modern day entertainment is kind of a replacement for the human killing instinct.

 

You are one sick person and should be locked up for life in a padded cell.

 

Started out like Lord of the Flies, however, it ended up again blaming the USA for Indonesian cannibalism.

 

well said, I would also add law was added so we had a system to turn to for justice other then old west shoot out kinda justice

 

Where did I imply I tho't I was a saint? I didn't b/c I'm not - but I do know what I can and cannot do....

If you have no compassion & empathy for humans, well that's your loss b/c there's some pretty great people in this world - it's a shame that you haven't met any...

Well, yes I do have compassion for the children that die - how about you?

Yes, I know humans have been killing each other since the dawn of time and I'm sure they're not about to stop......

You're a strange dude - one thread you're bashing nightclub dancing and thinks it should be banned and this thread you're talking about how killing is a natural instinct..... m/b for you.

 

Exactly.........

 

Then you are a sociopath and should probably be locked up.

 

I have a question - do you have compassion for animals?

 

Can you explain why all the data gathered during conflicts from Napoleon onwards (including WWI, WWII and Vietnam), illustrates that our soldiers were purposefully shotting over the heads of their "targets"?

Can you explain how during WWI, Allied and German troops would warn each other about the next days artillary bombardments and supply each other with food and medical supplies?

Why all along the Front, on Xmas day, did the Germans and Allies, come out of their trenches to exchange gifts, drink together and play football?

Why? Because the trait we see in most animals; not killing their own, is also a human trait.

Killing is actually un-natural.

 

These characteristics are seen in many mammal spiecies; we are really very similar to them. They kill for food, we kill for food. They do not kill their own in general, and we, in general do not kill our own.

 

Ask yourself the following question:

(Assumes you've never killed anyone)

Have you not committed murder because:

a) It's illegal

b) It's wrong

Here we have the answer to the terrible OP.

 

Your argument is flawed because 50 - 70 million people died killing each-other in WW2 and 20 million people died killing each-other in WW1.

If humans or soldiers in both world wars had any honour or dignity why did they kill each-other even after "warning each-other" like you claim plus there were only a few cases of such things. I bet you the same people who warned each-other of incoming artillery never warned each-other when one side charged the other with bayonets.

What about the millions of Turkic peoples massacred by soviets? Did they warn them?

Or did the Gestapo warn the Jews?

If war and killing were wrong and the majority of soldiers found killing unnatural, why didn't every single soldier on this planet during both world wars just drop there weapon to protest against wars, violence and leaders? Because most people were interested in killing each other or they were dishonourable cowards.

 

Either this is a lie or you bragging about saving a childs life is a lie. One does not risk their own life to save another without compassion or empathy for them.

 

I swear on my honour that I saved a life in Turkey.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "all" humans, but certainly I don't care for the majority.

and no offence but even if I saw a person dying I will help them because I'm good, I am good to good people, bad to bad people.

I'll exterminate millions of ignorant people and restart society from scratch as good.

Regards

 

That's some pretty funny (*)(*)(*)(*) right there. Oh the ignorance and arrogance of youth.

 

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This sounds like a kid that wants people to think he is tough because he doesn't have "compassion and empathy" for fellow human beings. You're not tough and sound more psychotic than strong. You have no idea what a killer instinct is and you have no idea what it is like to take anyone's life.

This post is all over the place. You have never been in combat, so do not presume to understand the level of thinking in the minds of soldiers. War is completely different than other forms of killing (murder, suicide, ect), but you seem to think they are all the same and natural thought processes. They are not. And what is this horse(*)(*)(*)(*) about not telling the other side about incoming artillery? What does that have to do with anything?

Ah. Now you are changing your tune because people were concerned about your mental health. That is a sign of a conscience and therefore you're not a cold-hearted killer. And no, I don't think you would ever take anyone's life, let alone multiple lives. Most people can't.

 

Apparently he's been banned from the forum, at least temporarily. The "which country to nuke first" thread set off a red flag I suppose...

Therefore time to go off-topic.

How ya been Gov?

 

I am glad I did not see that thread. Kids these days...

I am doing very, very well. How are you?

 

Good as good can get I suppose...pressed for time...so stay safe...up there!

Working a desk, I envy your job and miss the wild blue yonder view from the office.

 

Not flying for a little while, so the worst that can happen to me is a papercut. Or I might forget to put on my reflective belt and get hit by a truck that is going 10 mph.

 

Most men can, if they've been conditioned mentally to do so. Dozens of various cultures through the years have proven that.

 

Women can too. If they've been mentally conditioned to do so. Do you honestly think most people here have been? Do you think the poster of the original message has the capacity to kill someone? I don't, and it's a stretch to think otherwise.