Banning guns = higher crime rate.

What's a "lib"?

I have never voted for the Liberal Party of Australia in my life.



But I do enjoy a liberal sprinkling of chocolate on my cappucino.

 

Lol. The statistics are your own.

 

Do you think that "armed security staff" getting paid $8 an hour are going to be adequately trained, or actually care enough to put their ass on the line?

Really?

Really?

 

Stats are from the FBI. I'm just relaying them to you guys, lol. They're not my own. You have posted multiple false statements and because I've debunked them, you constantly have to shift subjects. It's okay. We get it. You're a lib. What can I expect, right? Lol

 

Gun control is such a touchy topic now adays.

Whatever I believe; it's true that the founders of this country wanted the "people" to have weapons. Never forget, that it's the people's responsibility to ensure the government doesn't get too corrupt. (Unless of course, you want to throw out the constitution and the intentions of our creators).

That being said, I'm not sure if every yahoo on the block having a gun is the right question either. (I remember hearing about an old lady with a gun, who pulled out a gun because she "thought" someone was breaking into her car. It wasn't her car.)

Something to think about.

PS: I'm more pro-gun than not, but what about the crazy old ladies who pull guns on people erroneously?

 

Your founders wanted an armed militia to resist British invasions. Just as the Swiss wanted an armed militia to resist the Germans and French.

Somehow this morphed into the disastrous situation you have today.

 

Allow me to respectfully correct you.

Read the 2nd amendment, it specifically differentiates between "militias" and "the people". The people are to bare arms.

 

So are mine.

 

What? Show expose elbows?


I'm all for nudity

 

The people may bear arms in order to be available to the militia.

I would have thought that was obvious.

Since you now have a National Guard and a military the size of a Starwars nightmare, I don't see the point.

 

Why not disarm the police and the rest of the "law enforcement growth industry" and let the American People keep theirs?

 

Fact: The NL has very few guns in prviate ownership, this is a fact, it is not debatable.

So please answer my question:

If so, please explain why the NL has emptying prisons. We are renting out prison spaces to other countries (nice earner).

 

I would be interested to see the data on this.

I know for a fact that our murder rate is significantly lower than yours, and that people here do not express the same fear of violence as americans on this forum do.

 

do you have figures to back up this claim?

 

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Not in Australia.

 

The violence rate in Australia took a short dip before returning to it's historic average, so the new gun laws did little in the way of changing anything.

 

I assume you're backing this up with credible links...

 

there are several problems with this information in relation to australia.

firstly, the source is pretty dubious and contradicts research conducted by credible sources within australia.

secondly, australia never did have much of a gun culture. in my lifetime, going back decades before the gun buyback, the only people I knew who had guns were farmers (shotguns, .22s or 303s) and later, a few people who may have been members of some club. even before the buyback, guns were not commonly owned within australia, which is a highly urbanised society.

if there was such a significant increase in crime rates since that time (and I would dispute that the information is accurate) it will not be related to restrictions on gun ownership, but to other factors.

This makes me suspect the source is pushing an agenda.

 

I was being kind.

Violent crime in Victoria getting worse

Also you can look up a lot of this data yourself:

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html

The problem, as I have pointed out often before, is that you usually cannot find any causal effect of these gun bans. Even in the US, the rate of violence has been on a decline but during the same time it was on a decline in other countries also. Some wish to attribute it to the last 20 years of states allowing conceal carry, but only about 2 to 5% of the population actually has a carry license and it has almost always been OK to have a gun in your house. Violence is usually a matter of culture and other influences of the time.

 

There would be some truth in this. You'd find most homicides in Australia are perpretrated by common assult. Meaning bashings (fists and boots) or with blunt instruments. Before the ban of knives in public, knive stabbings were also a means. These homicides were also the result of an argument which got out of hand.

Limiting guns within the community would have had little effect on the homicide rate, for the simple reason there weren't all that many guns within the general community. Assailants resorted to other means other than guns.

You'll find most gun owners are responsible. Guns are mainly used for sport and not defense. Guns aren't left lying around but locked away, so quick access to a gun isn't possible in the event of an argument getting out of control. Fists and boots are used first.

 

Because of it's surroundings. This is comparable to a state within a larger country. I've answered all of your questions and you keep refusing the facts. Why would I keep humoring you?

 

What about my sources that provide the same general message? This is the problem with libs.


You can provide fact after fact and they keep going until they find one tiny exception, then they use that like crazy and blow up on you saying "SEE! SEE! You were WRONG!" The truth is, I've learned here recently that a liberal will argue until he/she's blue in the face about something they know they're wrong about.

 

I looked for your sources and can't find them; what post # was it under because I'd like to view them.

 

Rural areas tend to be more tolerant of gun use than urban areas showing significantly lower crime/murder rates as well.

When you criminalize things like drugs and guns rather than regulate and educate you produce more crime.

If guns were regulated in such a way with education and respect to proper use of fire arms rather what you can buy i think you may see a serious cultural shift.

 

gunpolicy.org and FBI Uniform Crime Reports.