Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions

Completely disagree. Some libertarians, including myself are willing to incorporate behavioral science into our policy decisions and realize that folks rationality is bounded and as a result some paternalism is justified. In this case the political climate is such that there is virtually no possibility of there being no welfare state, with that as a given we have to weigh costs and benefits. On one side of the argument I can choose to provide free contraception on the other side I can provide various types of welfare to both mother and child, that's simply the reality of the situation. With only those two options on the table, opting for the former is a no brainer.

The libertarian cause is one that strives to maximize personal freedom within the scope of the rule of law and natural rights, but anyone that embraces the cause must do so given the constraints of the political system and the incentives faced by individuals.

 

Adding voodoo science and voodoo politics is not a winning concept...

 

There's nothing mystical about incentives, bounded rationality and public choice problems, there is however something quite remarkable about the devotion to anti-intellectualism, ignorance and a blatant disregard for inalienable rights.

 

Do you even know what misogynistic means? "A person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women." I respect women. It is the left that has no respect for women. The right wants women to respect themselves enough not to "put out" everytime some clown wants to jump their bones. It is the left that apparently wants to have their women to have the freedom to express themselves sexually and if oh, by the way, you do happen to get pregnant from that romp the other night, we fully expect you to avail yourself of your freedom of choice to end that life on account of I'm seeing someone else this week.

 

In other words, you have no interest in dealing with the reality of the situation and would rather address the Utopia that only exists in your mind. How many times do abstinence programs have to completely fail before you acknowledge how the world actually works, instead of how you want to view it through you lens?

 

How many times did you mention the male responsibility for pregnancy in the following post? Hint: It's less than 1. Yes, you're misogynistic.

 

I like freedom of expression!

 

Not so.

From Saint Peter’s Square to Harvard Square

quote: We have found no consistent associations between condom use and lower HIV-infection rates, which, 25 years into the pandemic, we should be seeing if this intervention was working.”
So notes Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies

You seem able to avoid looking at facts that conflict with your prejudices.

Here are the results of the study: During the study period, 1997 to 2007, the overall use of contraceptive methods increased from 49.1% to 79.9%. The most commonly used method was the condom (an increase from 21% to 38.8%), followed by the pill (an increase from 14.2% to 20.3%). Female sterilization and IUDs decreased slightly and were used by less than 5% of women in 2007. The elective abortion rate increased from 5.52 to 11.49 per 1000 women.

More information about the study: Study: Abortions Double in Spain Despite Increased Contraception

So you want to force these women to do your bidding?

It sounds like you just want to get rid of poor people. That's kind of creepy. Anyway many contraceptives are cheap and readily available.

Your indifference to women's health is noted. The risk is hardly slight!

Breast Cancer and Early Oral Contraceptive Use

quote: They should be told that all of the collective data we have point to an estimated increased risk of breast cancer of 40% to women who have used OCPs [Oral Contraceptive Pill] before their FFTP [First Full Term Pregnancy].

You simply ignore studies you don't find congenial.

for example: David Paton, author of four major studies in this area, has found “no evidence” that “the provision of family planning reduces either underage conception or abortion rates.” He sums up the U.K. experience: “It is clear that providing more family planning clinics, far from having the effect of reducing conception rates, has actually led to an increase…. The availability of the morning-after pill seems to be encouraging risky behavior. It appears that if people have access to family planning advice they think they automatically have a lower risk of pregnancy.”

another example: K. Edgardh found that despite free contraceptive counseling, low cost condoms and oral contraceptives, and over-the-counter emergency contraception (EC), Swedish teen abortion rates rose from 17 per thousand to 22.5 per thousand between 1995 and 2001.

LINK for both quotes

Looks like you've come to some false conclusions based upon pro-abortionist propaganda.

 

When was free will ever your concern? You're the same guy who wants to ban abortion across the board.

 

And it's libertarians who want you to mind your own (*)(*)(*)(*) business what women do.

 

If you care about basic rights you should be pro-life.

Thoughtful libertarians agree: Libertarians for Life

The abortion industry lies to women for a profit. If you care about choice you don't lie to the decision-maker.

Worldwide coercive measures have often been employed to force sterilization and abortion.

 

We can debate all day and night when a fetus becomes a legally separate life, but what isn't debatable is that an adult woman is a legally separate life.

That's part of why I put the woman's choice above a fetus's.

 

Funny, our founders didn't envision freedom as encompassing the "right" to kill other human beings for the sake of convenience and lifestyle. How free are dead babies?

 

How free are dead women?

 

When do you define a life as being legally separate? If you say "at conception", be prepared to have law enforcement investigate every miscarriage and have orphanage costs skyrocket.

If you want smaller government, pro-choice is the way to go.

 

Somehow law enforcement wasn't doing that before abortion was legalized. Why are all the pro-abortion arguments based on hyperbole (back ally abortions, rape, incest, etc)? Why can't you make a single argument based on what's realistic and likely?

 

Lies from the abortion industry: Planned Parenthood’s use of unscientific and fabricated medical information

 

It is based in reality. Multiple state legislatures have proposed laws to investigate miscarriages. These have come from very pro-life politicians.

And as for back alley abortions, rape and incest, are you saying those don't happen?

Most people, believe it or not, acknowledge the conditions surrounding abortion as important enough to tailor laws around them.

Even most pro-lifers make exceptions for rape, incest, and when the mother's life is in danger. Most pro-choicers still are against late term abortions.

It's only the wingnuts that act like it's an on/off thing.

 

Just a few of the women chewed up by the abortion industry:

New 911 tape reveals botched abortion at Virginia Planned Parenthood

Authorities: Abortion doctors charged with murder

16-Year-Old Girl Suffered Botched Abortion at Planned Parenthood

DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors

The abortion industry, like many industries, has captured the regulatory apparatus. Legalization means the mistreatment of women and a huge expansion of the industry.

 

So tell me what good has making it illegal done for various countries?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...higher-countries-illegal-study_n_1215045.html

 

I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Which state legislatures have attempted to pass these laws? You should be able to give me "multiple" examples.

They're rarely the reason for abortion. Before abortion was legal, you didn't have 4 million back alley abortions a year, people simply followed the law and didn't try to kill other human beings.

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) again. You keep pulling things like this out of your ass hoping nobody calls you on it. Most prolife people believe that abortion as a response to rape makes a bad situation even worse.

 

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/02/miscarriage-death-penalty-georgia

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/antiabortion-georgia-lawm_n_827340.html

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/...ges-women-for-illegal-abortion-or-miscarriage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

I'll be patiently waiting for your denial.

 

The abortion industry vs. women:

Calif. Holds Tanning Salons to Higher Standards Than Abortionists

Abortion Centers in Texas Evade Laws, Dump Records and Waste

from the U.K.: One in five abortion clinics breaks law

 

Then killing the poor who can't "afford" birth control would result in fewer abortions. Bullets are cheeper than oral contraceptives.
Since you seem to favor cost savings...........................

 

Take a hike. You've never personally helped a poor person.