Why did the Pilgrims cling to the Bible? we're they crazy Jesus freaks too?

Whether it was their purpose or not, they ended up killing a lot of people over witch trials while oppressing the natives in much of the same way they were oppressed in Europe.

Overall, they were basically @$$holes.

 

Source?

 

YOu need more study. Let me help you out...


The Puritans wanted to be free from religious prosecution in England.
During the 1620s England's economy suffered. Many people lost their jobs. The English king, Charles I, made the situation worse by raising taxes. This unpopular act led to a political crisis. At the same time, the Church of England began to punish Puritans because they were dissenters, or people who disagree with official opinions. King Charles refused to allow Puritans to criticize church actions.

Seeking Religious Freedom
The pilgrims left England in 1609 so that they could practice the religion they chose. An English law, the 1559 Act of Uniformity, demanded that all British citizens attend services and follow the traditions of the Church of England. A group of dissenters known as the Puritains had strong disagreements with some Church practices. Under King James, the practice of executing Puritans for disobeying the Act of Uniformity ended, but the Puritans still found themselves hated by society.

At first the pilgrims and Puritans moved to Holland. Here they enjoyed religious freedom, but they had to learn the Dutch language and their children began observing Dutch traditions. After some time in Holland, they decided they wanted to move to a country that spoke English and that would let them practice any religion they wanted. The only place they could do this was in a brand new place. The Pilgrims decided they would travel to the "New World." They went back to England in 1620 to set sail on the Mayflower.

http://www.life123.com/holidays/thanksgiving/pilgrims/why-did-the-pilgrims-leave-england.shtml

FACT!

 

The Puritans wanted to be free from religious prosecution in England.
During the 1620s England's economy suffered. Many people lost their jobs. The English king, Charles I, made the situation worse by raising taxes. This unpopular act led to a political crisis. At the same time, the Church of England began to punish Puritans because they were dissenters, or people who disagree with official opinions. King Charles refused to allow Puritans to criticize church actions.

Seeking Religious Freedom
The pilgrims left England in 1609 so that they could practice the religion they chose. An English law, the 1559 Act of Uniformity, demanded that all British citizens attend services and follow the traditions of the Church of England. A group of dissenters known as the Puritains had strong disagreements with some Church practices. Under King James, the practice of executing Puritans for disobeying the Act of Uniformity ended, but the Puritans still found themselves hated by society.

At first the pilgrims and Puritans moved to Holland. Here they enjoyed religious freedom, but they had to learn the Dutch language and their children began observing Dutch traditions. After some time in Holland, they decided they wanted to move to a country that spoke English and that would let them practice any religion they wanted. The only place they could do this was in a brand new place. The Pilgrims decided they would travel to the "New World." They went back to England in 1620 to set sail on the Mayflower.

http://www.life123.com/holidays/thanksgiving/pilgrims/why-did-the-pilgrims-leave-england.shtml

 

Did you read my last post. no need to bother with them anymore. they have and will condemn themselves.

 

Where exactly did it say anything about the "Queen" executing people for believing in the Bible?

 

So what was your point behing quoting Exodus?

 

King Charles I had a queen. just wasn't mentioned in the text. they were beheaded for entertainment.

 

Source on the beheadings?

 

You asked WHY were witches killed in Biblical times. That was why.

the Salem Witch Trials was the Pilgrims killing them out of ignorance of the scriptures. They didn'thave to do that. that's why they stopped. and the witch/wicca recruitment continues to this very day. but nevertheless they will be totally destroyed by GOD this time.

 

Clearly Australia Criminals only last one generation. Religious extremists can last many generations because they can spread their beliefs over generations.

Criminals are something made under some social conditions(most of them) in a new place they won't have that social conditions and can create a new system where they can be included.

 

The most popular form of execution in those days was beheading. They didn't waste time putting you in prison. they got rid of you via beheadings.

In Roman times, they fed you to the Lions or hung you on the crucifix

Have you not seen the movie Braveheart yet?

 

Is the OP too distracted by religious zealousness to even answer these most basic questions in his original post?
This seems like some sort of crazy and zealous personal argument being held on our ground?

 

You are one very confused poster, in fact you even admit it in one of your posts, it was over religion, theirs and the church of England which was the Official church of the state, it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about even when you post it. You still have not answered my qestion other than to give me a "dislike", I will ask it again and we can see if you are honest or not: what is the Point of this thread?
I will add, the Pilgrims are the perfect example why there should be no State Religion and the two should remain seperate, thanks for pointing it out for all to see.

 

Yeah I never really was undecided on it. lol

 

Lets review the 'facts' you have posted today:
a) The words in the Bible make Creation a fact.
b) "They were actually running from British Tyranny at the time which was persecuting Christians. FACT."

The Pilgrims who went to Plymouth Rock had been living in Holland previously. Why would they be fleeing 'Tyranny' that they were safe from?

A more famous group of these early Puritans had also settled in New England in 1620: the Pilgrims.

The Pilgrims were Separatists who held views similar to those proclaimed by Robert Browne, John Greenwood, and Henry Barrowe. The Pilgrims emerged in Elizabethan England at roughly the same time as the Brownists.

The Pilgrims trace their lineage to Richard Clyfton, minister of Babworth, Nottinghamshire. Beginning in the 1580s, Clyfton advocated separation from the Church of England. Clyfton's movement attracted William Brewster, the postmaster of Scrooby. Tobias Matthew, the Bishop of Durham, who had been part of Archbishop Whitgift's delegation at the Hampton Court Conference, was selected by James to become Archbishop of York in 1606. He led an anti-Separatist crackdown and Clyfton was removed from his ministry. In response, Brewster offered to organize a dissenting congregation in the manor house in which he lived in Scrooby. Clyfton served as the congregation's pastor, John Robinson as its teacher, and William Brewster as its chief elder. This congregation was subject to ecclesiastical investigation, and its members faced social hostility from conforming church members, but was not actively persecuted. Nevertheless, disliking the social hostility, and fearing future persecution, the group decided to leave England.

150 members of the congregation made it to Amsterdam, where they met up with a group of Separatist exiles led by John Smyth, which had joined the congregation of English exiles led by Francis Johnson. After a year at Amsterdam, tensions between Smyth and Johnson grew so high, that the Pilgrims decided to move to Leiden. While there, many worked at Leiden University or in the textile, printing and brewing trades. John Robinson participated in the Calvinist-Arminian Controversy while at Leiden University, arguing on behalf of the Gomarists.


By 1617, many members of the congregation had grown disillusioned with Leiden and wanted to move somewhere where they could retain their English identity, while also worshipping God in the way they believed was required. As such, the congregation voted to leave Leiden and to found a colony. The group ultimately decided to move to New England. In 1620, after receiving a patent from the London Company, the Pilgrims left for New England on board the Mayflower, landing at Plymouth Rock. The colony founded by the Pilgrims was called Plymouth Colonyhel also had tensions between the Indians and New England colonists turned into a deadly conflict called king philip's war

Every European group which settled in North America brought their Christian faith with them- and Jewish faith too.

And often of course- these same groups required observance of 'their' particular Christian faith- Puritans for instance would banish those who didn't follow their beliefs- which led to the founding of many other colonies by those fleeing the persecution of the Puritans.

So to recount: Christian Puritans didn't approve of the rites and beliefs of legal Christian Church of England and so fled the Christians of England and came to the New World.

Once in the New World the Puritans established their own official church, which persecuted Christians which didn't agree with them, leading to those Christians fleeing to other parts of the New World.

Fact- lol.

 

The Boston martyrs is the name given in Quaker tradition to the three English members of the Society of Friends, Marmaduke Stephenson, William Robinson and Mary Dyer, and to the Friend William Leddra of Barbados, who were condemned to death and executed by public hanging for their religious beliefs under the legislature of the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1659, 1660 and 1661. Several other Friends lay under sentence of death at Boston in the same period, but had their punishments commuted to that of being whipped out of the colony from town to town.

"The hanging of Mary Dyer on the Boston gallows in 1660 marked the beginning of the end of the Puritan theocracy and New England independence from English rule. In 1661 King Charles II explicitly forbade Massachusetts from executing anyone for professing Quakerism. In 1684 England revoked the Massachusetts charter, sent over a royal governor to enforce English laws in 1686, and in 1689 passed a broad Toleration act."[1][2]

 

you can't be this ignorant can you SFJEFF? or maybe you can. but I do like how you moved the goal posts from England to America. brilliant ignornace indeed.

 

But his post does make the answer to the thread title clear.
"Why did the Pilgrims cling to the Bible? we're they crazy Jesus freaks too?"
Yep they were crazy Jesus freaks lol.

 

Exactly- Pilgrims couldn't stand the official Christian Church of England- so went to the New World- and promptly set up their own official worship- and persecuted those who didn't follow their teachings.

A rather better example is William Penn and the Quakers- who did come to the New World for religious freedom- but Penn also created a charter which allowed for freedom of religion.

 

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A simple "no, I have no proof that Pilgrims were beheaded for the entertainment of the Queen of England" would have sufficed.

 

How am I ignorant? I am not the one who claimed that the Puritans fleed to the New World to escape the tyranical King of England.

Or that words in the Bible make Creation a fact.

 

Okay- were the Puritans 'crazy Jesus freaks"?

I would say yes- they believed in Jesus and they came to the New World and then required everyone believe exactly as their leadership said people must believe.

Nowadays we would call that a cult. But it was pretty common then.

 

Using terms like 'Jesus freak' underlines the point that you are afraid of life, and that part of that fear unfortunately for you, is religion.

 

Finally!...now that we've cleared that up on page5...lol...that can only mean that the Founding Fathers were jesus freaks too right?

Do you need 10 more pages to finally agree on that fact as well? or can you do it in one comment?