Which individual has damaged America most in history ?

He held it together (What it was... Probably the Federal Government because he sure defied the right of States) through force and free speech itself was (*)(*)(*)(*)ed under his Administration. Wasn't he the President who had Politicians and the Media thrown in jail or shut down their Outlet? Wasn't he the President that had Generals underneath him give the command to burn, rape and pillage every southern town? Didn't he start out not for abolishing slavery by the North but, merely for keeping the already existing Government in power over the Southern States? Was this the same man who demeaned the Blacks and if he could save the Union while keeping the Blacks as slave he would be happy? Wasn't this also the same man who believed Blacks to be different species all together and wanted them to remain as inferior beings? If it wasn't for the North winning he would be nicknamed Lincoln the Tyrant for his actions. He used the Anti-Slavery movement to change the perspective of the War as Federal Govt vs. Southern States to that of Free the Slaves.

 

McCarthy wasn't the first to go on the witch hunt for Communists. The House Unamerican Activities Committee preceded McCarthy's involvement, but it's all the same really.

Whether Democrat or Republican, American politicians showed their true colors during the Red Scare. Freedom of speech is only truly protected by the government when paranoia isn't in play. When it is, then the government can censor you for your political views or (now) indefinitely detain you for them.

Any true advocate of liberty would condemn the actions of McCarthy and the HUAC.

 

1) President LBJ---unrepairable damage with Great Society programs, racist civil rights laws and government programs. His war in Vietnam may be his finest legacy.

2) President FDR----first major socialist. Set the country on path to government dependance. His entanglement of us into WW2 killed off massive numbers of our troops. Siding with Stalin was worse than siding with Hitler. FDR allowed the communist takeover of much of Asia and Eastern Europe---leading to the cold war, Vietnam and Korea.

3) Pres Obama---as anyone would know.

4) Justice Earl Warren----Constitutional rapist began the assault on US freedoms by judical activism.

 

So war is a "fine legacy" but laws supporting civil rights are "racist"?

Stalin's aspirations for world dominance were considerably less expansive until after WW2. Realistically, siding with Stalin made more sense than siding with Hitler at the time.

 

More personal to us: Jerry Sandusky and then Emmert, the holier than thou scumbag executioner.
The criminals are going to jail for life... the other bad guys lost their jobs and via prosecution, their lives, and even Paterno is dead.... so who do you punish??? The Millions of us PSU alumni, fans, players, students and other innocents!
We are being punished for the crimes and bad decisions of a criminal named Sandusky and some other already being punished bigwigs at Penn State. And, JoePa is dead, freakin dead... so I guess I understand Emmerts frustration in taking out the holier than thou public stance on punishing the rest of us innocents? Why didn't he do this with the known football gang rapes at other universities or the football theft rings at other places.. or the many instances of where coaches of other teams did the nasty in public or in group sessions with underclassmen, err and women too?

Why were we innocents punished for the crimes of some scumbags in the past who are already being punished? Emmert is himself a scumbag and I surely hope someone who is punished himself for his crimes against us innocents in the future by facing some very bad luck.

Division 1 NCAA football is dead for me as it is for many others of us too.... and a $7 HS football ticket is a heck of a lot less costly and more entertaining and ALOT more truthful as to the athletes being paid for their services.

 

Please detail the land grabs, acts of genocide, political killings and other acts by Stalin vs. Hitler prior to FDR giving Lend Lease support to Stalin in 1941?

 

You'll have to specify which Civil Rights laws you're talking about then. The Civil Rights Act effectively ended segregation, so I really hope you're not suggesting that Jim Crow laws were justified.

LBJ's leadership in the Vietnam War has been thoroughly criticized by most historians for excessive micromanagement. He was probably the worst commander-in-chief we've had during wartime in the last 100 years precisely because he didn't allow the military to do its job effectively.

Well, first, I've have to ask you what the benefit of siding with Hitler would have been.

 

As much as one may be disgusted with what Lincoln, Sherman and others did during their un-civil war against America, we have to consider that Lincoln's Armageddon was a judgment upon America.

And a large part of the God's Judgment on America was due to our treacherous, cruel treatment of the Cherokee nation.

They became "civilized" with written language, newspapers, and all the modern conveniences. Yet a lot of people in Georgia coveted the Cherokee land and were envious of Cherokee progress and successes.

The Cherokee Nation took Georgia to the US Supreme Court and won! Georgia was ordered to honor the Cherokee Nation and leave them in peace. The leadership of Georgia said that they would rather see Georgia destroyed than let the Supreme Court interfere in their covetousness and criminal intent.

Then, President Andrew Jackson overthrew the Supreme Court and ordered the Cherokee evicted resulting in the deaths of many Cherokee forced at gunpoint to travel to Oklahoma in winter without the food and clothing necessary for such a trip.

So, when we read about Sherman's terrorist march through Georgia, we have to remember Georgia's guilt.
And when we moan and groan about how Lincoln turned America into a Communist country and put everyone under a dictatorship disguised as "freedom" we have to remember the people at that time were collectively guilty and punishment was dispensed.

Jackson's rebellion against the Supreme Court was the precedent for Lincoln to overthrow the Supreme Court.

The Battan Death March was more pay back, because we never repented.
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Barack Obama by no fault of his own. Racist republicans look to him as an example demonstrating that racism is no longer a thing.

 

No, Lee was DISLOYAL to his country; he was loyal to his state instead. He personally disapproved of the "peculiar institution" and thought the Southern separatists were making a mistake but in the end he ignored his conscience for his family, friends and community and thus paradoxically made them suffer a lot more. Seriously, if Lee had been in command in 1862 instead of McClellan, how do you think the war would have gone?

 

Perhaps if Stonewall Jackson was in charge, Washington DC would have been taken quick and Lincoln would be prisoner.

 

The worst one has got to be FDR. He got over 400,000 American military personnel killed when it never had to happen in the first place. He and Churchill cut off all oil to Japan long before Pearl Harbor but it forced them to attack in self defence. We didn't need to get involved in the European war either. FDR was the worst president but Obama is running at a close second.

 

That might not be the stupidest thing I've everr read here but it comes close. What one collects in taxes is all but totally decoupled from how much you spend or we wouldn't be looking at a 16 trillion dollar deficit. History shows that for every dollar of new taxes they take in Deomcrats will spend two to three dollars. The only thing you will get from Democrats by increasing taxes rates is an even biger deficit. The notion that raising taxes will reduce spending is utterly absurd.

 

That's a bit slanted when considering Japan's aspirations.

When it comes to the war in the Pacific, it was a matter of one imperial power against another. We wanted influence there just like they did.

Our own intrusion into this area didn't make Japan's aspirations anymore noble.

If we hadn't fought Japan, there's a good chance they'd control the Pacific at our expense.

 

And slavery would have existed for several decades more.

There's also little reason to believe that the CSA would be a racially integrated society by now.

 

A good chance? Sounds pretty theoretical to me. Tell your theory to the ghosts of over 400,000 US military personnel who got killed in WWII.

 

My vote would go to the last two presidents who did nothing to prevent the influx of crimaliens into the country. Not only did they rob resources and day labor jobs from those of us who need them, they also had anchor babies which continued their theft of our services into the future. Most alarming is that they will do the jobs at the lowest level of our jobs at a much lower pay and probably at a younger age than we can do as part of our newly unemployed field of Americans. So, Crimaliens are costing us jobs for our American families.

Personally, if I find someone who is a Crimalien, I will do what I have to do to subdue this criminal and then call the police. Anything less is un-American, IMO.

 

Mr. Serfin, so sophisticated in the dogmas of Washington and Lincoln.

Mr. Serfin reduces America to just another thug nation striving to extend its covetous power at everyone elses' expense.

Japan's aggression was the direct result of our treacherously bad example. America and Britain were the world's richest most prestigious nations, representing civilization and Christian morality.

But instead of fulfilling such a noble reputation, we made the nations drunk with our very rotten example in all our lies and vicious cruel wars of aggression.

Mr. Serfin's analysis of Lincoln's war is equally flawed as his justifications for our national sins.

 

Ummmm..... Japan attacked us, after we changed our trade policies towards them because they invaded China. Then after Japan attacked us, Germany declared war on us almost immediately. You people who make these absurd criticisms of FDR should at least know something about him!! Instead you parrot particularly stupid right wing propaganda, which poorly seeks to revise history, but has no evidence or rationale for doing so. I mean don't get me wrong, FDR did some bad things, but the idea that he damaged the US more than any other individual is insane nonsense. I will repost what I said earlier since it was ignored completely, and buffoons continued bringing up FDR as the example.

 

It is probably even a little more cynical than that. Japan wanted to be one of the big boys in the world and thought they could join the club but they were not the right color for the other imperialist nations. Look at what we did expanding in the Pacific. Look at the Philippines, some of which was not much different than what the Japanese were doing in China.

 

Is Frodly speaking from his history textbook at Karl Marx High?

Nice of Frodly to say this though: " but the idea that he damaged the US more than any other individual is insane nonsense."
On this point he is quite right. Many individuals damaged the US. FDR was just one out of a whole procession.

 

Can I make a list?

Political figures:

Wilson for engaging the US into WW1 and for allowing the FED to happen. (500k dead)
Johnson because he lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident (58k dead)
Nixon for giving the US the "superior" health care system with which they never had problems with
Reagen because he allowed corporations to take over US politics and congress (the birth of lobbying)

 

After thinking this through a bit longer, Im changing my answer to
Washington, Jefferson, and all the others who signed the Constitution.

Reason:
They should have made it much more difficult to change the COTUS and make it virtually impossible to begin "interpeting" it.
Some sort of a "this means what it means, and nothing more" clause or something.

Of course in those days they had much more character and principles.

 

EASY!!! Ronald Reagan.

 

I think I might agree with you there. This thread has been going on for a couple of days, and when I really thought of who might have caused the most damage, Jackson was the one that came to mind. Before Jackson, the US government dealt with the Indians on an ad hoc basis; a treaty here, a war there. With Jackson, the Federal government begin a systematic program to remove Indians east of the Mississippi.