Was Jesus God?

Because you can't. If all the translations translated that scripture exacly the same way I'm sure you would have something to say then.

If it did not support my argument that verse would have been translated exactly the same as the one you provided......not every translator is able to get the correct thought across when they are translating from one language to another.

The Bible said Jesus died, does it not? Nothing is beyond God's ability.....even becoming a human being that was subjected to death.

It only proves the fact that Jesus was fully human though He is God. If Jesus could not be tempted then He would not have been really human….God would not be God if was not able to become a human being. And being tempted is not a sin but giving in to sin is.

Colossians 1:18 (NASB77)
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.

When Jesus said He was the Son of God the Pharisees wanted to kill for blaspheming against God because as they said,being a man He made Himself equal with God. To which Jesus quoted them this scripture in the Torah/Old Testament.

God called men gods.

John 10:34-36 (Darby)
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called *them* gods to whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
36 do ye say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am Son of God?

The word that is used for gods above is the same word is for God.....Theos.


Psalm 82:6-8 (ASV)
6 I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.
7 Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; For thou shalt inherit all the nations.

And the word that is used for gods above is Elohim.....this is the same word used for God.


When the saints are glorified people will come and worship before their feet.

Revelation 3:9 (NKJV)
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

This is what the word worship means

proskyne&#333; - from <G4314> (pros) and a probably derivative of <G2965> (kuon) (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literal or figurative) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore) :- worship.
&#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Its the same word that is used in regards to God in the verse below. Notice how similar Revelation 3:9 is to Revelation 15:4.

Revelation 15:4 (ASV)
4 Who shall not fear, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy; for all the nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy righteous acts have been made manifest.

Because as children of God His children has the God-given right to rule.......this is the reason why God made man......to rule with Him over all things.

Revelation 21:7 (Darby)
7 He that overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be to him God, and he shall be to me son.

We will rule with Jesus

Revelation 3:21 (NASB77)
21 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

I have said it many times that neither the Bible or God is about a religion.......it is about the kingdom of God and man's place in it.......all human beings were born to rule. God's purpose is to dominate the universe through man. That is why God created the universe and why it is as scientists say the universe is expanding. The Bible says the government of God will increase without end.

Isaiah 9:6-7 (ASV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

The saints will start by ruling over nations on the Earth and after that there authority will extend beyond the limits of the Earth outwards. The Bible says that the children of God are waiting for their liberation. When the children of God have been set free from their bondage, then all of creation (the universe) will become what it was meant to be.......planets will become inhabited with life and living beings and the saints will rule over them.

Romans 8:21-23 (NASB77)
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

 

So I should explain it because I can't explain it.

Why didn't I think of that?

Evidently you have forgotten what your argument is, so I'll take the liberty of reminding you: you claim the fulfillment of his vow by Jepthah doesn't contradict anything else in the Bible. The fact - contested by no one save perhaps the voices in your head - that any verse can have different translations doesn't support that argument.

Swell, but that doesn't come within miles of substantiating your claim that "It is talking [about] Jesus as a man".

Actually what it proves is that Jesus was either not God or a liar. Which do you prefer?

But He would be God, which of course He would not be if He could be tempted.

Sure, just like a Navy SEAL wouldn't be a Navy SEAL if he couldn't become a 98 pound weakling.

Obviously the author is taking some license with the language there, since we know the Messiah was not born during His Resurrection; but beyond that, nothing in this verse demands that the word have the same meaning as used in the verse in Romans.

Again, the question was: "Then you'll all be God, just as you say He is. Right?"

I need a yes or a no, please.

 

Good question OP, I wish I knew. Not knowing the answer to that question is what keeps me from being a Christian.

 

A lot of people were resurrected before Jesus. It seems that Paul blew that one.

 

Yeah. But then again I'm Catholic. haha I remind myself every Sunday.

 

Well, it&#8217;s pretty clear in the Bible that Jesus is God......it says so and Jesus never denied it when He was called God.

John 1:1-4, 14-18 (ASV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.
15 John beareth witness of him, and crieth, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that cometh after me is become before me: for he was before me.
16 For of his fulness we all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


John 20:28-29 (ASV)
28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jesus was not the kind of person that promoted Himself other than to speak of His humanity. But Jesus even said before Abraham He was&#8230;&#8230;the Jews wanted to stone Him for saying Abraham rejoice to see His day.

John 8:54-59 (ASV)
54 Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing: it is my Father that glorifieth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God;
55 and ye have not known him: but I know him; and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be like unto you, a liar: but I know him, and keep his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.
57 The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.
59 They took up stones therefore to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.

 

the god on a thrown, is for punks and the weak minded

i know eternal life.


you still dont experience 'god' and know it

that's me!

nature is god, man evolved from its body, and liars created your god

i dont accuse, i am witnessing the lies of liars!

ill put my life on the line for each item i post.

That's the difference between a man and a punk, i am capable.

 

You did not say you can't, you said why would I bother.

So where do you see in the Bible that says she was offered to God as human sacrifice? Was Jepthah recorded in the Bible to have been involved the practice human sacrifices?

The scripture says the Word, who is God became flesh and that flesh was Jesus and that same Jesus died on the cross and was buried and rose from the dead on the third day.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (ASV)
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures;

The scriptures are very very clear to me that He is God.....I have no doubt about that. Jesus is upholding/sustaing all creation verse 3.

Hebrews 1:1-8 (ASV)
1 God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners,
2 hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds;
3 who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 having become by so much better than the angels, as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
6 And when he again bringeth in the firstborn into the world he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels winds, And his ministers a flame a fire:
8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The Son is God as it says in verse 8.

God as spirit cannot be tempted because to be tempted you have to be flesh and blood. You cannot tempt God as Spirit to lust sexually because spirit does not have sexual desires, but when that same God becomes flesh and blood, then He can be tempted because He would have the same nature (not the sinful nature) that all human beings have. But unlike all of us He did not give in to His nature.....He mastered it. Temptation is not a sin; it is giving into the temptation that is sin.

It is talking about going from being mortal to immortal......Jesus is the first human being to attain immortally/glory......that is what it is talking about when it says first born from the dead.

I provided you the scriptures you can come to whatever conclusion you like. But what I know is what the scriptures say......we will be like the God-man Jesus.

1 John 3:2 (ASV)
2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

God became one of us so that we could become like Him.

 

that's a stupid claim.


Nature is god and we are him, in the flesh; WE are ONE, right now!

 

to word :::::::

this is a quote.

Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd
The Jesus character is weird because he's the product of an adulterous affair and considered to be God by some folks. The same folks who whine about the sanctity of marriage and how marriage is between one man and one woman worship a person born outside of marriage fathered by an absentee sperm donor. It's really weird. They embrace the very thing they profess to despise.

so very true.

? what do you think about emperor konstantin ? i have posted a thread about the original organization of the first official christian religion. please do tell me what you think about kostantin and maximian and arrius and nestor and all that.

vlad

 

So who is the Jesus' real father since you believe Mary had an adulterous affair?

 

Jesus is God.
Jesus descended to take human form till he rose to take his place with the Father.
Together along with the Holy Ghost they make up the trinity.

fun fact:I find it interesting that physicist in tracing back to the big bang detected a tri-entity at .000....1 seconds after the universe was born as the only thing extant.

 

The Big Bang is just another religious myth.

 

to many creations, perhaps.

i like the 'turn da utter cheek' (dont let an atrocity imposed upon you, cause you to do another).

kind of like, if your car is broken into, do you lock it tomorrow....?

just like you and I.

born of mother nature and going back.

What we do, while awake, that is good, lives longer

the rest is forgotten

nature has a trinity: mass, energy, time.

energy, is light, the spirit; electromagnetic (the perfect cross)

mass; energy (light) affixed in time (E=mc2 is an example of the same). Fission as evidence.

time: the transcendant

big bang is a model derived from reversing time, using the combining, within a theorem of math, the three (mass, energy, time) but not quite the same as what is true. yet metaphorically, exactly mass/energy (kinetic)/time in virial theorem


that 'trinity' is the three

 

Of course you don't, because unlike the God of Jesus and the Apostles, yours is the author of confusion.

No, that is not why God cannot be tempted. Satan is a spirit, yet he was tempted to orchestrate the condemnation of an innocent man which broke the contract that gave him dominion over mankind.

I'd tell you why God can't be tempted, but you don't have ears for it.

It's hardly a matter of "like". The only conclusion I CAN come to is that you think you're going to become a God, but don't have stones enough to say so, because then you'd be trumpeting the fact that you have fallen for literally the oldest trick in the book.

 

The OP makes the assumption the Bible is valid. And asks questions about its teachings. I answered them within that context. But can the trinity really be what some call nature or physics? Certainly.
Is there (Or was there) a creator of higher intelligence that got the ball rolling? Yes it is proved by Greek Philosophers many years ago. Since you do not read Greek (a presumption on my part) and neither do I , start with 20th century British critics of their (Greek Philosophers') writings. Some of the quotes in translation can enlighten you. There is no question a high intelligence (super computer or genius immortal?) started the universe.

 

Those same apostles say Jesus is God. So I don't know what Bible you are reading but the one that I read, written by the apostles plainly say Jesus is God. And there is no confusion when one fully understands.

The Bible does not say that Satan was tempted it says iniquity was found in him......it was his own desire to want something that his right to have nor was it promised to him.

Don't presume to think you know what I don't know or don't have ears for. I of course, not into adopting people's opinion as truth since I'm capable of having my own opinion.

Not The God but a god. The spirit that is in man came from God Himself......God blew Himself into clay/dust and man came into being......it is what makes human beings in God's image and gives us the right to rule. The difference between the Word, whom became Jesus, is that the Word processed from The Father before space and time, but the spirit that God imparted to dust proceeded from God after space and time was created. Why do you think it was said of Jesus, that He would declare the Father's name to His brethren?

 

The Bible says Jesus was tempted in all arias but did not sin. The problem is that people think that being tempted is a sin, it is not. What is sin is giving into sin. And it was a real temptation, because Satan was offering Jesus what He was destined to have minus the pain and death that He would have to go through to have it.

 

You don't have understanding, just programming - like any other pharisee.

Neither does it say child molestation is a sin, but that's not a problem for those of us who can put two and two together.

There is no need to presume when in point of fact you know...and I do.

 

Why not ? Satan knew God was weaker in the flesh, if anything, I would say that was the perfect time to temp him.

 

Even granting your absurd premise, it doesn't matter whether He was "weaker", it only matters whether He could be tempted - which, if He was God, He couldn't.

BTW, humans aren't temptable because they're weak, they're weak because they're temptable.

 

Calling me a pharisee does not make me one it only shows that you are only left with your opinion.

God has laid out in the Bible what is a right and acceptable relaionship so anything that deviates from that is a sin.

It is still your opinion.

 

Satan thought Jesus would be weaker as flesh and blood......but Jesus showed Satan the He was still his Lord. Satan knew that if he could get God in the flesh to sin then he would have killed many birds with one stone. He would have secured his right to be on the Earth since it was Adam who severed his dominion from being under God's kingdom and placed it under Satan's. Since it was man who gave Satan his dominion to Satan it could only be a man who could take it back......that is why God had to become flesh, because as spirit God would not have the legal right to take it back from Satan......God will never violate His principle.