Anyone know any republicans on welfare?

It's funny how (most of the) liberals here paint conservatives with such a broad brush. And it is also funny how they equate Social Security and Medicare as welfare when it is convenient for them to use in their argument against conservatives.

I am a conservative. I have never been on welfare. I do not think any less of anyone who is on welfare if they NEED it.

I have no problem with anyone of any political party using a safety net in times of need.

It's when that safety net becomes a hammock that bothers me.

 

Then you are against the conservative ideology of hard work. According to them or better said, to your own ideology, you are a lazy guy and also an hipocrit because you defend an ideology that goes against what you are using and you are fine with it.

 

The President's job is not to fix the economy, that's Congress' job. Get a clue.

 

Conservatives here paint liberals with a broad brush. Welcome to humanity.

They are social welfare.

 

Being on welfare doesn't make anyone a bad person. It could, conceivably, mean that someone isn't trying hard enough, but I don't think any of us are qualified to make that judgment without knowing someone personally.

I think that there has to be welfare. If we eliminated it, we would be the first society ever to just declare that the other people in the society don't matter. I think I agree with some people that say it shouldn't necessarily be government welfare, but there doesn't appear to currently be a better practical option. Open to suggestions, haven't heard 'em.

 

Agree, on your 1st point.

Your 2nd point though falls very flat (and you know it). This is how many people try to win arguments. You're basically saying that if you criticize ANY social welfare programs than you MUST be against them all. And if you agree with ANY social welfare programs than you MUST also be for all of them. You're trying to back someone into a position where they MUST agree with you due to logical fallacy.

Now you'd like DDave to either take the position that ALL social welfare is wrong (which is an unelectable), admit that he's a hypocritical Republican (also making him unelectable), or agree with you and be a Democrat.

Sorry son, NOT BUYING IT. Just because I agree with some forms of social welfare doesn't mean I have to swallow EVERY bit of social welfare you Democrats wanna shove down my throat. If your position made sense, there would be no end, you could use that line of reasoning to give free yachts to the poor.

 

Very true and equally wrong. You'll notice in my post I said MOST OF THE liberals. I did not say all.

Whatever. Welfare as is mention in the OP generally understood to mean AFDC and food stamps. Like I said, nothing wrong with people relying on safety nets if the NEED to. Nothing wrong with folks who have paid into Social Security and Medicare during their working years availing themselves of those benefits when they are eligible.

 

Apparently the president must agree with your point of view. That is why we have a bad economy, because the Kenyan president doesn't know what his job is.

 

No, he's done his job. He's submitted plans to Congress and lobbied their passage. He's acted in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief as far as the wars are concerned.

That's ALL the President is supposed to do. Congress has all the responsibility over the economy, all the President can do is give them ideas and pass or veto what they put on his desk.

 

I believe my comment was "conservatives here," not "you."

Well, that's true, but there's a lot more to it than that, and SS and Medicare/Medicaid are among them.

And I agree.

 

I lean libertarian and am not on any form of welfare, regardless of availability. I'm sure I could claim something.

 

Wow.

I'm stunned.

Most of whom you probably don't know and couldn't even identify. Lulz.

 

Uh...no...pretty sure I didn't say that anywhere in my post.

Is there a logical fallacy for putting words in posts that aren't there?

No, because:

1) I don't particularly care if DDave agrees with me or not.
2) I'm not a Democrat.

Two things:

1) I am not your son, and you are not my father. Please don't call me "son" again.
2) I really don't care if you "buy" it, especially considering you don't "buy" something I never said.

Again:

1) I never said you had to.
2) I'm not a Democrat.

It's not my position, though. You built yourself one hell of a strawman.

 

No but there are a (*)(*)(*)(*) ton of racist white democrats on welfare all throughout the country.

 

You're right you didn't flat out say it, BUT When DaggDag was trying to point out differences between social welfare like unemployment/SS and social welfare in the form of flat-out welfare checks, and how he may agree with one for a certain reason yet diasgree with the other, you took the time to write the response : It's still social welfare.

Its definitely vague, so I'll ask you bluntly: What did you mean by that response, son?

Let me try to guess the semantics you'll now play to back out of your stance.

Option 1) You were just pointing out the obvious and were not making any sort of logical point at all.

Option 2) Bah nevermind, hit me with the drivel - what was the point in pointing out it's all social welfare?

 

...yeah, because it is. What you're trying to say is like accusing me of telling people they have to like all colours, just because someone said only blue and yellow are colours and I said red was also a colour.

What I meant is what I said. Dagg basically said SS and Medicare/Medicaid weren't social welfare, so I pointed out that they are. That's it.

And don't call me son. I am not your son, you are not my father.

Stop right there. What, exactly, is your problem? I've never seen a single post of yours in the six months I've been here until this thread, and for some reason you've decided to be an ass to me.

So what did I do? What did I say? Did I call your mom fat? What? People don't generally seek out people to try punching around (usually).

 

ummm, if you work you lose your Unemployment benefits, Unemployment benefits are for those without a job


.

 

Sorry, I'll back up and change my tone:

Do you think someone can logically back social welfare programs like SS and Unemployment, yet strongly disagree with other programs like EBT, Section 8, etc.?

 

Absolutely. However, a caveat: they need to specify which forms of welfare they oppose. Broad brushing helps no one.

 

Well, I am a conservative here so I don't know how I was supposed to know that you didn't mean me.  Although I appreciate you recognizing that I don't.

Depends on the context.

See, common ground.

You're stunned because I recognize hypocrisy in conservatives AND liberals?? Why does that stun you?

I don't know them personally no, but I assure you I could compile quite a list here of liberals who paint conservatives with a broad brush. I'm shocked that you would challenge anyone on that premise. Do you disagree that there are many liberals on this forum that paint conservatives with a broad brush?

Oh . . . lulz.

 

I knew a lady on another forum who constantly railed against socialized medicine. When I asked her in a discussion if she wouldn't mind telling me what her premium was she said "Oh, I'm on Medicaid". To which I pointed out IS socialized medicine, and her response was "Well I would rather have private insurance, but I'm disabled, and that is a pre existing condition.". I nearly put my palm through my face.

 

I'm certain Republican voters fall on hard times just as Democrat voters do.

 

Thou shalt not steal.

 

that's sad...education is a terrible thing to waste....

 

With all the ads about Romney personally getting rid of jobs... not one about Obama doing the same or worse personally and not through his retirement account being run by some independent lawyer.

OBAMA personally eliminated my job...which I got after being on unemployment for over a year. OBAMA eliminated MY JOB when he for no good reason decided to cancel the pipeline which runs through the state in which I live. The reason was... who the frak knows??? Maybe some new form of Obama loving slime was discovered in the route(which I was hired to GPS map) or some past woman or man which Obama didn't want disturbed... who the heck knows... except that OBAMA clearly hates us all here in Texas as evidenced by MANY of his first four years following someone we KNOW he hates in Bush.

That said, I am now looking to get a quickie divorce from my wife of 30 years in order to get on welfare and get food stamps and then also to help my kids get some financing or maybe even OBAMA wonderful college grants for us now poor people.

Guess this is another good example of "if you can't beat them,,, then heck, join them". (*)(*)(*)(*).